Re: [wsbpel] BPEL licensing - deja vue / resolution

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Danny,

And that is exactly the point - either which way - YOU have to
drive this issue forward.

The companies requiring the license are getting you to do all
this free work for them right now - and they've absolutely no
incentive to push for a conclusion on this.  At the end of the
day they can walk away with BPEL and exclude everyone
else - if that is what they choose.

I'm not saying that is really what they intend - but it would
be foolhardy to not get this all resolved at this point - either
by forcing the issue on the license or by forcing the issue on
a vote to continue the work itself - as you suggest.

Clearly this is not a simple situation - some
licensors clearly have been devoting a large amount of
time, staff and effort to the development as well - one
feels that its not just the few in this canoe!

Cheers, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny van der Rijn" <dannyv@tibco.com>
To: "BPEL OASIS" <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [wsbpel] BPEL licensing - deja vue / resolution


> as i see it, this would be a pointless exercise unless the companies that
> hold the initial IPR show any willingness to use such a license.
>
> the alternative is to take a straw poll of TC member companies who would
> vote against the spec with the IPR as it stands.  if that comes up
> unfavorable for the standard, then there's a position from which to
> negotiate.
>
> danny
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Ross-Talbot" <steve@enigmatec.net>
> To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> Cc: "BPEL OASIS" <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] BPEL licensing - deja vue / resolution
>
>
> > +1
> >
> > If you do it and succeed I shall be smiling in the UK.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve T
> >
> > On 5 Dec 2003, at 15:10, David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > My thought of the day is that I have been here
> > > done all this before. Only last time it was Borland
> > > that provided the means to break the impasse.
> > >
> > > Remember when the legal world was frozen into
> > > thinking that software users had to sign-off on a
> > > twenty page+ licensing agreement?
> > >
> > > And then Borland came out with its no nosense
> > > approach that printed on to the back of the
> > > envelope the disks came in?
> > >
> > > We've also all seen this from NDA doc's that
> > > are impossible to sign - but people have
> > > sensible, legible and concise two or three
> > > pagers of those now too.
> > >
> > > My suggestion is that you take matters into
> > > your own hands at the F2F.  Sit down around
> > > a laptop and edit together a concise licensing
> > > agreement that looks good to you - take all five
> > > mega-doc's - consolidate, delete, and fixup.
> > >
> > > Then as a group of contributors to the TC you
> > > will have what you think is a fair and reasonable
> > > license to use.
> > >
> > > As I see it the bottom line is that either the
> > > original contributors follow through on their
> > > intent on bringing BPEL into OASIS, and
> > > benefiting from all the hard work the TC is doing
> > > on making the specifications workable, or
> > > it ends here as a specification only they can use.
> > >
> > > Hope you have a productive time in Florida.
> > >
> > > DW
> > >
> > >
> >
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