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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a Registry" .......


Thanks for joining Farrukh!  Thanks also for the information regarding implementations.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:08 PM
> To: John Evdemon
> Cc: Monica J. Martin; Eckenfels. Bernd; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a Registry" .......
> 
> (Resending after joining wsbpel TC as observer. Thanks for 
> your consideration.)
> 
> John Evdemon wrote:
> 
> >I'm not sure if anyone has time to work on such a document.  
> Besides, won't this just distract from the BPEL/UDDI paper?  
> >
> >Who supports Reg/Rep? 
> >  
> >
> For a partial list of deployments for one specific implementation
> (freebXML Registry) please see:
> 
> 
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/aboutFAQ/About_freebXML_Registr
> y.html#Deploymentspel
> TC
> 
> For a partial of implementations:
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=regrep
> 
> Include to that list the following recent additions....
> 
> -freebXML Registry
> http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net
> 
> -Adobe
> 
> -Infravio
> 
> As an outside observer to the wsbpel, I wish to log an 
> objection to any
> special consideration for UDDI over ebXML Registry in the wsbpel TC.
> Both UDDI and ebXML Registry are OASIS standards. Further, ebXML
> Registry is  also an ISO standard (ISO 15000 part 3 and 4).
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Farrukh
> 
> 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Monica J. Martin [mailto:Monica.Martin@Sun.COM] 
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 5:39 PM
> >>To: Eckenfels. Bernd; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>Cc: Farrukh Najmi
> >>Subject: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a Registry" .......
> >>
> >>I would also suggest we consider a technical note using Reg/Rep and 
> >>WS-BPEL as well. Also a recognized OASIS standard, Reg/Rep has also 
> >>recently published a WSRP technical note on managing WSRP artifacts 
> >>(WSRP is also at OASIS) [1]. Thanks.
> >>
> >>[1] Suggested links (Note particularly [e], [g] and WSRP 
> >>technical note [j]:
> >>[a] [Ann] freebXML Registry version 3.0-alpha2 release 
> >>http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=385589
> >>[b] freebXML Registry http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net
> >>[c] Reference Deployments of freebXML Registry 
> >>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/aboutFAQ/About_freebXML_Registr
> >>y.html#Deployments 
> >>
> >>[d] ebXML Registry 2.1 Specifications (Approved OASIS and ISO 
> >>Standard) 
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.1/specs
> >>[e] ebXML Registry 2.6 Specifications (Latest preliminary 
> 3.0 drafts)
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/8475/ebRIM-2.6.doc
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/8476/ebRS-2.6.doc
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/documents/2.5/specs
> >>[f] ebXML Registry Technical Committee
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/
> >>[g] Web Content Management using ebXML Registry (XML Europe 2003):
> >>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/xml
> >>Europe2004-webcm-ebxmlrr.ppt 
> >>
> >>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/xml
> >>Europe2004-webcm-ebxmlrr.sxi 
> >>
> >>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/presentations/xmlEurope2004/04-
> >>02-02.pdf
> >>[h] Java API for XML Registries  
> >>http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=93
> >>[i] LDAP, UDDI and ebXML Registry feature comparison matrix 
> >>http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/tmp/Registry_Capability_Matrix.html
> >>[j] Using ebXML Registry to Manage WSRP Artifacts 
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/7538/wsrp-pf
> >>    
> >>
> >b-ebxml-tn-draft-05.pdf 
> >  
> >
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Eckenfels: Dannys observation also applies to the 2-party 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>case. It is not very helpfull for external partners to 
> >>publish your own process. If they want to interface with you, 
> >>the need the Abstract representation of the Process they have 
> >>to implement. Of course publishing your opwn process abstrac 
> >>makes sense in other situations like sharing your 
> engeneering efford.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I totally agree that this TN should wait of the outcome of 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the abstract subgroup and the abstrac subgroup should use the 
> >>"publish in uddi" as a major usecase.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: Francisco Curbera [mailto:curbera@us.ibm.com]
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:27 PM
> >>>To: Danny van der Rijn
> >>>Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>Subject: Re: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>OASIS UDDI Spec
> >>    
> >>
> >>>TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >>>
> >>>I don't think Bernd's use case assumes a multiparty 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>scenario. The TN seems
> >>    
> >>
> >>>to cover reasonably well the 2 party case; it also seems 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>reasonable to
> >>    
> >>
> >>>start with that simple case (since almost everyone 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>understands it) but
> >>    
> >>
> >>>eventually we'll want to figure out whether or when a 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>multiparty BPEL would
> >>    
> >>
> >>>need to be registered in UDDI.
> >>>
> >>>Paco                                                         
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>                                                              
> >>                 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Danny van der                                                
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>                                                              
> >>           Rijn                     To:       
> >>wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org                                   
> >>                 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>                     <dannyv@tibco.com        cc:           
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>                                                              
> >>             
> >>    
> >>
> >>>                     >                        Subject:  Re: 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>[wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" OASIS UDDI Spec 
> >>TC Technical   
> >>    
> >>
> >>>                                               Note - 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Review Requested                                              
> >>                   
> >>    
> >>
> >>>                     08/05/2004 04:19                       
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>                                                              
> >>             
> >>    
> >>
> >>>                     PM                                     
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>                                                              
> >>                                                              
> >>                                                              
> >>                     
> >>    
> >>
> >>>i agree with the sentiment of your note, bernd.  however, 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>according to my
> >>    
> >>
> >>>reading of the TN, that (multi-party) usage isn't covered.  
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>what the travel
> >>    
> >>
> >>>agency can register is the abstract BPEL that describes 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>THEIR OWN behavior,
> >>    
> >>
> >>>and not a "you implement this" abstract BPEL.
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Eckenfels. Bernd
> >>>To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:54 AM
> >>>Subject: RE: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>OASIS UDDI Spec TC
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Technical Note - Review Requested
> >>>
> >>>Hello Danny,
> >>>
> >>>for a service provider (i.e. TravelAgency) it makes sense to 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>publish an
> >>    
> >>
> >>>abstract BPEL PRocess which describes as a template how a 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Process of a
> >>    
> >>
> >>>TravelAgent has to look like. AbstractBPEL cannot describe 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the observal
> >>    
> >>
> >>>overall process, but it can describe in an abstract way 
> the exepcted
> >>>sequence of invocations (and therefore also the offered ports).
> >>>
> >>>I think the UDDI TN is nearly compelte in that respect, only 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the wording
> >>    
> >>
> >>>"observal state" needs to be changed.
> >>>
> >>>Also I wonder if the Process Local Name needs to have its 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>own attribut in
> >>    
> >>
> >>>the tModel/Bag, but I am not very familiar with UDDI.
> >>>
> >>>     -----Original Message-----
> >>>     From: Danny van der Rijn [mailto:dannyv@tibco.com]
> >>>     Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:52 PM
> >>>     To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>     Subject: Re: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>registry" OASIS UDDI
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     Spec TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >>>
> >>>     as i said in conference today, i am afraid that the 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>UDDI TC is even
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     more confused about what Abstract BPEL is than we are. 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >> other than
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     pointing out even more strongly the importance of getting our
> >>>     definition of Abstract BPEL pinned down, i think that 
> this note
> >>>     should lead us in 2 directions:
> >>>
> >>>     1) finding out why someone would want to register an 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Abstract BPEL
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     with UDDI.
> >>>     2) changing the name of Abstract BPEL.  this is not 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the first time
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     i've seen someone confuse the relationship between 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Abstract BPEL and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     Executable BPEL to conflate it with the relationship 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>between Abstract
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     WSDL and Concrete WSDL, and unless we change the name, 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>i'm sure it
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     won't be the last.
> >>>
> >>>     i admit, i haven't read the UDDI proposal referenced 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>in this note,
> >>    
> >>
> >>>     but i feel pretty safe in my assumption without 
> having read it.
> >>>
> >>>     danny
> >>>      ----- Original Message -----
> >>>      From: Luc Clement
> >>>      To: drj@us.ibm.com ; jevdemon@microsoft.com
> >>>      Cc: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org ; 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org ;
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      Karl F. Best ; James Bryce Clark ; Mary McRae ; Tony Rogers
> >>>      Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:58 PM
> >>>      Subject: [wsbpel] "Using BPEL4WS in a UDDI registry" 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>OASIS UDDI Spec
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      TC Technical Note - Review Requested
> >>>
> >>>      Dear WSBPEL Chairs,
> >>>      The UDDI Spec TC has been working on a "Using BPEL4WS 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>in a UDDI
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      registry" Technical Note (TN) that it would like 
> your input on
> >>>      before proceeding to ratify this TN.
> >>>      The TN provides a mapping for publishing BPEL4WS 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>abstract processes
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      into a UDDI registry. The primary goals of mapping 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>BPEL4WS artifacts
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      to the UDDI model are to:
> >>>         1. Enable the automatic registration of BPEL4WS 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>definitions in
> >>    
> >>
> >>>            UDDI
> >>>         2. Enable optimized and flexible UDDI queries 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>based on specific
> >>    
> >>
> >>>            BPEL4WS artifacts and metadata
> >>>         3. Provide composability with the mapping 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>described in the "Using
> >>    
> >>
> >>>            WSDL in a UDDI Registry, Version 2.0.2" [1] 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Technical Note.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      We would like to invite the BPEL TC to review and 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>comment on the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      document and ask that you assign two or more reviewers.
> >>>      The TN is posted at the following locations by format:
> >>>            PDF:
> >>>            
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/uddi-spec/downloa
> >>    
> >>
> >d.php/8442/uddi-spec-tc-tn-bpel-20040725.pdf
> >  
> >
> >>>            MSWord:
> >>>            
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/uddi-spec/downloa
> >>    
> >>
> >d.php/8441/uddi-spec-tc-tn-bpel-20040725.doc
> >  
> >
> >>>      We would appreciate comments as soon as possible but 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>preferably
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      before 31 Aug 04. Please submit comments:
> >>>            To: Claus von Riegen, SAP (claus.von.riegen@sap.com),
> >>>            cc: (UDDI Chairs): luc.clement@systinet.com;
> >>>            tony.rogers@ca.com
> >>>            cc: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>      Thanks in advance
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      Luc Clément
> >>>      Co-Chair OASIS UDDI Spec TC
> >>>      Systinet Corporation
> >>>      Tel: +1.617.395.6798
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      [1] OASIS UDDI Spec TC Technical Note: "Using WSDL in a UDDI
> >>>      Registry, Version 2.0.2",
> >>>      
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/uddi-spec/doc/tns.htm#WSDLTNV2
> >>    
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
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