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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue 115 - RE: [wsbpel] appendix C revision
+1 >-----Original Message----- >From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com] >Sent: 16 September 2004 20:30 >To: Francisco Curbera >Cc: Furniss, Peter; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue 115 - RE: [wsbpel] appendix C revision > > >I don't suppose that the assembled could be convinced that since >appendix C is non-normative and since the group already has a ton of >text to do full reviews on perhaps we could publish appendix C >separately? This would be one less thing for the entire group >to have to >review in order to get out the main spec. Since the text is anyway >non-normative what real damage is done if it is published stand alone? > > Just a thought, > > Yaron > >Francisco Curbera wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Here is IBM's feedback on your proposed resolution. >> >> We agree that Appendix C provides important value in >helping clarify >> the interaction between BPEL and distributed protocols. That was the >> original motivation for the appendix; in its current form (modulo >> references to the WS-BA spec) it does this job appropriately >and that >> is why we agreed that it should not be removed. Our major >concern with >> the proposed changes is that the new text only deals with localized >> behavior and does not help anymore in interoperability scenarios. In >> that case we think it would be better to leave it out of the >document. >> >> More specifically, these are the two issues that concern us: >> >> 1. Missing fault and compensation-fault acknowledgements: The state >> diagrams are meant to accommodate any underlying infrastructure and >> therefore we believe that every transition requires some form of >> protocol-level acknowledgement to assure the partner has >processed the >> signal. >> >> 2. Exit Handling: We need to allow a nested scope to unilaterally >> leave the workscope. >> >> Regards, >> >> Paco >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> "Furniss, >> Peter" > >> >> >> <Peter.Furniss@chor To: "Satish >> Thatte" <satisht@microsoft.com>, ><wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org> >> >> eology.com> >> cc: > >> >> >> Subject: >RE: [wsbpel] >> Issue 115 - RE: [wsbpel] appendix C revision >> >> 08/25/2004 02:04 >> PM > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sounds reasonable - "Success" should be changed to >"Succeeded" by the >> same count. >> >> Peter >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Satish Thatte [mailto:satisht@microsoft.com] >> Sent: 25 August 2004 18:15 >> To: Furniss, Peter; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue 115 - RE: [wsbpel] appendix C revision >> >> Peter, >> >> It would be helpful to follow the original convention of ending all >> signals from a nested scope with ‘ed – by this convention “Fault” >> would be “faulted”. Thus all these signals look informative as >> opposed to imperative. >> >> Satish >> >> >> From: Furniss, Peter [mailto:Peter.Furniss@choreology.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:19 AM >> To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [wsbpel] Issue 115 - RE: [wsbpel] appendix C revision >> >> Forgot to set the title so my own scripts will link the thread. >> Please reply to this thread, not my original one. >> >> Peter >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Furniss, Peter >> Sent: 18 August 2004 14:57 >> To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [wsbpel] appendix C revision >> At last, the proposed text for appendix C from Alastair and >myself. >> Thanks also to Tony Fletcher for comments. >> >> The bit that gave us pause was the introduction - the difference >> between a notionally monolithic BPEL implementation and a general >> distributed case becomes questionable if in fact the BPEL >> implementation is federated - especially when, e.g., >different flows >> are running in separate processes that could fail independently. >> >> Peter >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> Peter Furniss >> Chief Scientist, Choreology Ltd >> web: http://www.choreology.com >> email: peter.furniss@choreology.com >> phone: +44 870 739 0066 >> mobile: +44 7951 536168 >> > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the >roster of the OASIS TC), go to >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/lea ve_workgroup.php.
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