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Subject: RE: Issue - 87 - Language tweaking


Here is a complete example:

<message name="In"> 
    <part name="InPart" element="InElement"/> 
</message> 

<message name="Header"> 
    <part name="HeaderPart" element="HeaderElement"/> 
</message> 

<portType name="myPortType"> 
    <operation name="op1"> 
        <input message="In"/> 
    </operation> 
</portType> 

<binding type="myPortType" ... > 
    <soap:binding ..../> 
    <operation name="op1"> 
        <input> 
            <soap:body parts="InPart" ...> 
            <soap:header message="Header" part="HeaderPart" .../> 
        </input> 
    </operation> 
</binding>

As you can see, the actual message being sent, as described in the
binding, includes the part HeaderPart, which is currently not accessible
to BPEL because it is declared outside myPortType.
I think this case is pretty similar to what you address in your proposal
as Application Data, i.e. "data transmitted in a message outside of the
normal message channel".

Ugo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:10 PM
> To: Ugo Corda
> Cc: wsbpeltc
> Subject: Issue - 87 - Language tweaking
> 
> 
> I'm sorry Ugo, I honestly don't understand. Can you please provide a 
> portType, a sample SOAP message, a BPEL variable and an 
> explanation for 
> how the data gets lost between the SOAP message, the portType and the 
> BPEL variable?
> 
> Sorry to be so thick but I just don't get it.
> 
> 		Yaron
> 
> Ugo Corda wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The case I have in mind is the SOAP binding where the part from 
> > message B is transmitted via a SOAP header (and schema 
> validation for 
> > that header would be performed based on message B, not message A).
> > 
> > Again, see WSDL 1.1, sec. 3.7, where it says "the 
> referenced message 
> > need not be the same as the message that defines the SOAP body".
> > 
> > Ugo
> > 
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com]
> >  > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:36 PM
> >  > To: Ugo Corda
> >  > Cc: wsbpeltc
> >  > Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 87 - Proposal for Vote
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > To simplify the scenario lets imagine that messages A 
> and B contain  
> > > exactly one part.  >
> >  > For the scenario you describe to be possible then 
> message B's syntax
> >  > MUST be legal under the message A definition. If it 
> wasn't then the
> >  > incoming message would be rejected by schema validation.
> >  >
> >  > The only way then that message B could be different than
> >  > message A and
> >  > still be legal under message A's definition is if 
> message A contains
> >  > extension points (e.g. xs:any). But any data in those
> >  > extension points
> >  > would be available to the BPEL.
> >  >
> >  > So I don't see how the scenario you describe would, in 
> practice, ever
> >  > result in the BPEL not having access to the data, independent
> >  > of issue 87.
> >  >
> >  >       Thanks,
> >  >
> >  >               Yaron
> >  >
> >  > Ugo Corda wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > In the case I mentioned below, data IS bound to a WSDL
> >  > message part,
> >  > > but the WSDL message itself is not part of the 
> portType definition
> >  > > used by BPEL for the corresponding activity. For 
> example in WSDL:
> >  > >
> >  > > message A
> >  > > message B
> >  > > portType P
> >  > >     operation
> >  > >         input message A
> >  > >
> >  > > but the message sent to the receive on portType P 
> includes, besides
> >  > > data from message A, data defined as a part in message 
> B. Right now
> >  > > BPEL can only see data defined in message A, because
> >  > message B is not
> >  > > part of portType P.
> >  > >
> >  > > So it's a different situation than what you mention, but it
> >  > should, in
> >  > > my view, be treated the same way.
> >  > >
> >  > > I would just rephrase your statement as:
> >  > >
> >  > > "specifically data in a message that is not bound to a 
> WSDL message
> >  > > part included in the corresponding portType"
> >  > >
> >  > > Ugo
> >  > >
> >  > >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > >  > From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com]
> >  > >  > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:40 AM
> >  > >  > To: Ugo Corda
> >  > >  > Cc: wsbpeltc
> >  > >  > Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 87 - Proposal for Vote
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > I'm not sure I follow. Isn't that exactly what the 
> proposal  >
> >  > > specifies?  > "..specifically data in a message that is not
> >  > bound to a
> >  > > WSDL  > message part."
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering how I
> >  > can make the
> >  > >  > language any clearer. Suggestions welcome.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >       Thanks,
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >               Yaron
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > Ugo Corda wrote:
> >  > >  > >
> >  > >  > >
> >  > >  > > As a friendly amendment, I suggest to extend this
> >  > >  > capability to data
> >  > >  > > in a message that are bound to a part that does not
> >  > belong to the
> >  > >  > > portType over which the message is exchanged. This case is
> >  > >  > explicitly
> >  > >  > > allowed for SOAP bindings by WSDL 1.1 (see sec. 3.7, "the
> >  > >  > referenced
> >  > >  > > message need not be the same as the message that
> >  > defines the SOAP
> >  > >  > > body"), yet this information is currently not
> >  > available to BPEL.
> >  > >  > >
> >  > >  > > Ugo
> >  > >  > >
> >  > >  > >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > >  > >  > From: Yaron Y. Goland [mailto:ygoland@bea.com]
> >  > >  > >  > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:14 PM
> >  > >  > >  > To: wsbpeltc
> >  > >  > >  > Subject: [wsbpel] Issue - 87 - Proposal for Vote
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > 14.9 Application Data
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Application data is data transmitted in a message
> >  > >  > outside of  > the
> >  > >  > > normal  > message channel, specifically data in a message
> >  > >  > that is not
> >  > >  > >  > bound to a
> >  > >  > >  > WSDL message part.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > To enable BPEL processes to access application data the
> >  > >  > from-spec is
> >  > >  > >  > extended to include:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <from appDataForMessage="ncname"/>
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > The value of the appDataForMessage attribute MUST
> >  > be the name
> >  > >  > >  > of a WSDL
> >  > >  > >  > message type variable. The output of this 
> from-spec will
> >  > >  > >  > always follow
> >  > >  > >  > the schema:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <element name="applicationData"
> >  > type="bpws:tApplicationData">
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <complexType name="tApplicationData">
> >  > >  > >  >     <sequence>
> >  > >  > >  >        <any processContents="lax" minOccurs="0"
> >  > >  > >  > maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
> >  > >  > >  >     </sequence>
> >  > >  > >  >     <anyAttribute processContents="lax"/>
> >  > >  > >  > </complexType>
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > The application data will be recorded inside of the
> >  > >  > >  > applicationData XML
> >  > >  > >  > element.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > To enable BPEL processes to set application 
> data the to-spec
> >  > >  > >  > is extended
> >  > >  > >  > to include:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <to appDataForMessage="ncname"/>
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > The schema of the data assigned using this to-spec MUST
> >  > >  > follow the
> >  > >  > >  > previously defined schema or a
> >  > >  > >  > bpws:mismatchedAssignmentFailure MUST be
> >  > >  > >  > thrown.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > When a message is received by the BPEL process any
> >  > >  > application data
> >  > >  > >  > associated with the message MUST be made 
> available via the
> >  > >  > >  > application
> >  > >  > >  > data from-spec. The exact means by which 
> application data is
> >  > >  > >  > retrieved
> >  > >  > >  > from a message is binding specific and the binding
> >  > definition
> >  > >  > >  > has final
> >  > >  > >  > say as to what data will appear as application 
> data but in
> >  > >  > >  > general any
> >  > >  > >  > parts of the incoming message that do not have 
> bindings to
> >  > >  > >  > specific WSDL
> >  > >  > >  > message parts are considered application data.
> >  > Similarly when
> >  > >  > >  > a message
> >  > >  > >  > is sent if any application data has been 
> associated with
> >  > >  > the message
> >  > >  > >  > then the application data MUST be sent with 
> the outgoing
> >  > >  > >  > message using
> >  > >  > >  > the rules defined for the particular binding in use.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > In the specific case of a message received via 
> a SOAP based
> >  > >  > >  > binding the
> >  > >  > >  > applicationData value associated with the received BPEL
> >  > >  > WSDL message
> >  > >  > >  > type variable MUST contain any SOAP headers 
> that do not have
> >  > >  > >  > bindings to
> >  > >  > >  > message parts in the WSDL used to receive the 
> message. Each
> >  > >  > >  > SOAP header
> >  > >  > >  > not otherwise bound to a WSDL message part MUST be
> >  > >  > copied into the
> >  > >  > >  > application data structure in the relative document
> >  > >  > order the headers
> >  > >  > >  > appeared in the SOAP message.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Similarly if a message is sent via a SOAP 
> based binding then
> >  > >  > >  > any values
> >  > >  > >  > in the applicationData MUST be copied into the SOAP
> >  > >  > message's header
> >  > >  > >  > block in document order. The exact place where the
> >  > >  > headers will be
> >  > >  > >  > inserted into the header block is application
> >  > specific but SHOULD
> >  > >  > >  > generally be after the SOAP headers defined via a
> >  > binding in the
> >  > >  > >  > outgoing message's WSDL message definition.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Any application data associated with a WSDL 
> message type
> >  > >  > variable is
> >  > >  > >  > replaced with application data from the incoming
> >  > message, if any,
> >  > >  > >  > whenever that variable is used to receive a 
> new message.
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Schema Changes:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Add to tFrom:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <attribute name="appDataForMessage" type="NCName"/>
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > Add to to:
> >  > >  > >  >
> >  > >  > >  > <attribute name="appDataForMessage" type="NCName"/>
> >  > >  > >  >
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