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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue 197: Un-initializing BPEL variables
Alex Yiu wrote: > > Hi, Yaron and Assaf, > > Regarding to the following syntax, I have some second thought ... [ > sorry about that :-) ] > ------------------------------------ > <assign> > <copy> > <from> > <literal /> > </from> > <to variable="x" /> > </copy> > </assign> > ------------------------------------ > > I have doubled checked XPath 2.0 data model (section 6.7). It > explicitly disallows a text node with zero length. > > Therefore, the more suitable interpretation of the value returned by > <literal> should be an empty nodeset. Of course assigning an empty > nodset to /some /kinds of BPEL variables could make sense in /some > /condition. However, to avoid catch all the corner cases and to > maintain consistent semantics of "selectionFailure" fault, I think we > should outlaw the above usage for XPath 1.0 for now. When we > officially move to XPath 2.0 data model, we can consider enable the > above usage. > > Thought? If you use the content of the literal to create a text node, and you pass that text node to the XPath engine as the context node, then the text node can be empty. Since it has no parent, you are not violating the rule of 6.7 (which is so phrased to allow you to do that, while also supporting text node normalization). If you use the content of the literal to create a document node, you must first normalize the document node before passing it to the XPath engine as the context node. (If the XPath engine accepts non-normalized nodes as a convenience, it will still process them as if they were normalized). When you normalize, consecutive text nodes are joined into new text nodes, empty text nodes are discarded. So you are processing an empty document node. Since you are assigning to a simple type, you have two options to process the result: 1. Ask the XPath engine to return a string value, assign that string value to the text node. 2. Ask the XPath engine to return a node-set, follow another set of rules (below) before you can assign that as a simple type. If you choose #1, then you already support empty strings, whether you use a text node or a document node (and whichever version of XPath 1.0 you use). The XPath version will return the string value of the node-set, which having one node will be calculated as follows (2.5.2 in the XPath 2.0 spec): "1. For text and document nodes, the typed value of the node is the same as its string value, as an instance of the type |xdt:untypedAtomic|. The string value of a document node is formed by concatenating the string values of all its descendant text nodes, in document order <http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xpath20-20050211/#dt-document-order>." If the text node has empty content, or if the document node has empty content, you will receive an empty string. If you choose #2, you can decide how you want to process the results. If you decide to remain consistent with XPath, then you need a few more steps to duplicate the heavy lifting that XPath does, but you end up with the same results which can support empty literal values. (I can go into details if absolutely necessary) Assaf > Thanks! > > > Regards, > Alex Yiu > > > > > > Alex Yiu wrote: > >> >> Hi, Yaron, >> >> You have raised a good question. >> >> Using 111.1 syntax: >> <assign> >> <copy> >> <from> >> <literal /> >> </from> >> <to variable="x" /> >> </copy> >> </assign> >> >> Remember <literal /> = = = <literal></literal> >> >> Here is my attempt to answer your question: >> >> IMHO, the "empty" literal should yield a empty text-node (similar to >> empty str). >> (Of course, the other option is to outlaw it.) >> >> If x is of a simple type which can accepts an empty string, the above >> assignment should be legal. >> >> If x is of element or complex type of which has *simple-content* >> which is derived , there may be cases where this assignment is legal. >> It depends on Issue 157 - "Cleaning up copy". >> See an example below: (note this part of decision belongs to 157 , >> not 197) >> >> >> Before the assignment: x = = <foo:bar>*abc*</foo:bar> >> After the assignment: x = = <foo:bar></foo:bar> ( = = = <foo:bar />) >> >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Regards, >> Alex Yiu >> >> > > > Assaf Arkin wrote: > >> I believe this should be handled the same way as if we had >> <staticValue>something</staticValue>. I mean, either it can assign a >> text node (empty or not) to the element variable, or it throws a >> fault. Otherwise, we have an exception for the case where the >> assigned value is character data, but happens to have a particular >> length. >> >> Assaf >> >> Yaron Y. Goland wrote: >> >>> I'm fine having a special attribute and think it would be a fine >>> part of resolving this issue. But it still leaves open a question, >>> what is the consequence of: >>> >>> <assign> >>> <copy> >>> <from> >>> <!-- Or whatever we agreed to call it in 111.1 --> >>> <staticValue/> >>> </from> >>> <to variable="x" /> >>> </copy> >>> </assign> >>> >>> >>> Let's assume that variable X is of type element, specifically <Foo/>. >>> >>> What happens to X? Is it uninitialized? It can't be 'empty' because >>> X MUST contain an element named <Foo>, that is required by its >>> nature as an element variable. So what's left? We can either declare >>> the above to always be illegal or we can declare that it >>> uninitializes the variable or we can even try some interesting >>> conversation routines (e.g. treat the source as a text node intended >>> to be made the child of Foo) but we need to say something. >>> >>> Yaron >>> >>> Alex Yiu wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> With limited thinking cycle spent in this topic, I would prefer >>>> have a special-form of from-spec to solve this problem: >>>> <assign> >>>> <copy> >>>> <from */a_new_attr_name/="yes"* /> >>>> <!-- let's say, the attribute name is: "*uninitialized*" --> >>>> <to variable="x" /> >>>> </copy> >>>> </assign> >>>> >>>> This uninitialized attribute just controls the special flag >>>> associated with a variable value to indicate whether a variable >>>> value has been assigned to that variable. Hence, we don't need to >>>> come up with special values which are valid to the associated >>>> varaible types to indicate the "uninitialized" status of the variable. >>>> >>>> For sake of argument, let's assume one implementation has the >>>> following extensions: >>>> >>>> * <foo:xcopy> which allows the from-spec yield zero nodes >>>> * A variable type that can store the nodeset of XPath 1.0 or the item >>>> sequence of XQuery 1.0. (That is, $varY) >>>> >>>> >>>> For >>>> <assign> >>>> <extensibleAssign> >>>> <!-- sigh ... the verbose amendment here ... :-) ... --> >>>> <foo:xcopy> >>>> <from> $varX/po:lineItem[10] </from> >>>> <to> $varY </to> >>>> </foo:xcopy> >>>> </extensibleAssign> >>>> </assign> >>>> >>>> It is a useful value for a variable to points to an empty result >>>> result. >>>> So, we can do the following expression: "count($varY) > 0" >>>> That is: we need to differentiate between an "empty-result-set" >>>> situation and "we-don't-have-a- result-set" situation. >>>> >>>> Similar semantics consideration would be applied to simple-type >>>> variables and WSDL message variable (the >>>> source-of-all-data-related-complication). [ Asking me to come up >>>> with a sensible XML Infoset to represent an uninitialized WSDL >>>> message would make my head hurt. :-) ] >>>> >>>> In short, IMHO, a special form of from-spec is the >>>> /_simplest-and-cleanest_/ solution to this problem. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex Yiu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Assaf Arkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yaron Y. Goland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your argument works for text nodes but not elements and who says >>>>>> that the contents of a static value that contains nothing is a >>>>>> text node? That certainly isn't defined in the spec today. In >>>>>> fact we have at least 2 open issues on exactly this kind of problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I made no such assumption. To assign a value to a text node I need >>>>> to obtain a string value, but if you read the XPath expression, I >>>>> can operate on a variety of content models in order to arrive at >>>>> that string value. >>>>> >>>>> Since I consider an empty value to be a valid and useful value, we >>>>> need a way to disambiguate between un-initializing a variable and >>>>> expressions that can assign an empty value to a text node. Since >>>>> we want to keep it simple, let's find an un-initializing mechanism >>>>> that is not node-type specific, and retain that distinction across >>>>> all node types. >>>>> >>>>> Assaf >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Assaf Arkin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In XML empty is still a content. An empty text node contains >>>>>>> zero characters. Different from nothing or null. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, if I have the expression concat($X,$Y) it is valid >>>>>>> for Y to be empty, and its reasonable for someone to set it to >>>>>>> empty and be used. $Y needs to have a value in this case and the >>>>>>> expression need to evaluate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Un-initialize will require its own construct, a) to not confuse >>>>>>> between empty and null, and b) since we currently do not allow >>>>>>> null to be selected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Assaf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tony Fletcher wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This issue has been added to the wsbpel issue list with a >>>>>>>> status of "received". The status will be changed to "open" if >>>>>>>> the TC accepts it as identifying a bug in the spec or decides >>>>>>>> it should be accepted specially. Otherwise it will be closed >>>>>>>> without further consideration (but will be marked as >>>>>>>> "Revisitable") >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The issues list is posted as a Technical Committee document to >>>>>>>> the OASIS WSBPEL TC pages >>>>>>>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel> on a >>>>>>>> regular basis. The current edition, as a TC document, is the >>>>>>>> most recent version of the document entitled in the "Issues" >>>>>>>> folder of the WSBPEL TC document list >>>>>>>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/documents.php> >>>>>>>> - the next posting as a TC document will include this issue. >>>>>>>> The list editor's working copy, which will normally include an >>>>>>>> issue when it is announced, is available at this constant URL >>>>>>>> <http://www.choreology.com/external/WS_BPEL_issues_list.html>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Issue 197: Un-initializing BPEL variables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Status:* received >>>>>>>> *Date added:* 12 Mar 2005 >>>>>>>> *Categories:* Data Handling >>>>>>>> <http://www.choreology.com/external/WS_BPEL_issues_list.html#category_data_handling> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Date submitted:* 11 March 2004 >>>>>>>> *Submitter:* Yaron Y. Goland <mailto:ygoland@bea.com> >>>>>>>> *Description:* Is it legal/possible to un-initialize a variable >>>>>>>> in BPEL? What happens, for example, if one tries to assign a >>>>>>>> static from value that is empty? Should we allow for from-spec >>>>>>>> to be empty and have that mean that the target is uninitialized? >>>>>>>> *Submitter’s proposal:* Being able to un-initialize variables >>>>>>>> is a generically useful thing. It makes it clear when a >>>>>>>> variable doesn't contain a 'useful' value. So I think we should >>>>>>>> provide a way to un-initialize variables. >>>>>>>> *Changes:* 12 Mar 2005 - new issue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony/ / >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> / <http://www.choreology.com/>/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony Fletcher >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Technical Advisor >>>>>>>> Choreology Ltd. >>>>>>>> 68, Lombard Street, London EC3V 9L J UK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phone: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +44 (0) 1473 729537 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mobile: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7801 948219// >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fax: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +44 (0) 870 7390077 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Web: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /www.choreology.com <http://www.choreology.com/>/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cohesions™ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Business transaction management software for application >>>>>>>> coordination >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Work: tony.fletcher@choreology.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Home: amfletcher@iee.org <mailto:amfletcher@iee.org> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: wsbpel-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: wsbpel-help@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
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