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Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 157 - Proposal For Vote


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Harvey,
 
Good question. I have been talking so far in terms of using the <to> variable as the source document for XSLT (which is, I think, the scenario that Assaf and Yuzo were thinking about), but Alex might have been thinking of using the <from> variable as the source instead. This needs to be clarified, otherwise we'll be arguing about different things.
 
Ugo
-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey G. Reed [mailto:hreed@mitre.org]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:58 PM
To: 'Alex Yiu'; Ugo Corda
Cc: 'wsbpeltc'
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 157 - Proposal For Vote

Alex,

 

Just to make sure I am following this, which source document are you saying gets modified with Ugo’s suggestion?

 

Take care,

++harvey

 


From: Alex Yiu [mailto:alex.yiu@oracle.com]
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:20 PM
To: Ugo Corda
Cc: wsbpeltc; Alex Yiu
Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 157 - Proposal For Vote

 



Hi, all,

The quotation Ugo made is under the section of Section 5. "Template Rules" and Section 5.1 "Processing Model":
-----------------------------------
A list of source nodes is processed to create a result tree fragment. The result tree is constructed by processing a list containing just the root node. A list of source nodes is processed by appending the result tree structure created by processing each of the members of the list in order ...
Implementations are free to process the source document in any way that produces the same result as if it were processed using this processing model.
-----------------------------------

The context is how an XSLT processor process the source document and match and fire the template rules. The optimization allowed may include:

·         indexing of the source document

·         using different data models: DOM, SAX, XPath, ...

·         parallelism of template rule application


Modifying the source document is NOT the same result. That is a big semantic change. NOT just an optimization.

If we allow modifying an source document, it will introduce "von Neumann" style computation back to XSLT, which is known to have problems with non-procedural languages (e.g. XSLT and XQuery). The modification creates a bunch of problems of current XSLT / XQuery design do no cater for. E.g. whether to re-fire some template rules after the source document is modified.

A detailed example:
-------------------------
    <xsl:template match="foo">
        <xsl:element name="bar">
            ...
        </xsl:element>
    </xsl:template>
    <xsl:template match="bar">
        <xsl:element name="foo">
            ...
        </xsl:element>
    </xsl:template>
-------------------------

We have a template rule that transforms the "foo" element into the "bar" element. And, we have another rule which transform "bar" element into "foo" element.

If the source document is NOT modified, its semantics is very clear. It is a "flipping"  XSLT : all "foo" elements are flipped  to "bar", while all "bar" elements are flipped to "foo".

However, if the source document is modified, will we run into an infinite loop?

Also, allowing modification of source document essentially destroy the parallelism of template rule application.



Regards,
Alex Yiu






Ugo Corda wrote:

Hi Alex,

 

> not having the capabilities of a smaller granularity of replacement has a BIG impact on efficiency of <assign>
> For example: in order to replace a small zip code field of a large PO documents (e.g. 100 line items), we would effectively copy all those 100 line items.

> That is NOT an implementation-dependent issue. The XSLT spec clearly shows its intention (see the quotations above).  

 

 I am not convinced that XSLT actually imposes those limitations on an implementation optimization. For instance, sec. 5.1 of XSLT 1.0, Processing Model, states: "Implementations are free to process the source document in any way that produces the same result as if it were processed using this processing model".

 

So, suppose that the large PO document is in my target variable, and I want to replace just a zip code field. Evidently I don't care about preserving the original PO document as a separate independent entity, since all I care is that, after the assign, the variable contains the modified PO. If the original PO is in DOM form, what would prevent my implementation from just replacing the zip code field and then pretending that the modified DOM is actually the DOM representing the whole new PO document resulting from the XSLT transform, *as if* the modified PO actually got generated applying the copy/creation semantics as described in the XSLT process model?

 

Ugo

 



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