RE: [wsdm] Action Items (RE: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216)

["Sedukhin, Igor S" <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>]

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Bryan,

 

If we had Relationships capability, I would mention that instead of MOWS identification. Right now it is the closest we can get to explain that point.

 

I would not add query of interfaces at runtime. This is not management related and also induces even more complexity on providers of manageability in order to simplify life for the managers. I believe managers must be able to process WSDL document and match QNames of messages to manageability operations and capabilities. If at all, then standards e.g. WS-MetatadaExchange may be used to convey descriptions at runtime. May be we can see what we do about this in 2.0 timeframe.

 

On the interface description part. Yes that is possible to lookup for interface QName in WSDL 2.0. However right now with WSDL 1.1:

    1. WSDM provides portType descriptions of various capbilities. Such portTypes group opertions.messages togeher. Each message has a GED QName (the one that appears on the wire).

    2. Actual manageability service also resolves to a portType which is likely to be custom. Managers have to match GEDs to GEDs in 1 to find out what operations and what capabilities are present. Managers are allowed to fail the discovery if partial capabilities are implemented.

 

May be I should add the above clarification to the writeup...

-- Igor Sedukhin .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com)
-- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, Islandia, NY 11788

 

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From: MURRAY,BRYAN (HP-Seattle,ex1) [mailto:bryan.murray@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:59 PM
To: Sedukhin, Igor S; Andreas Dharmawan; VAMBENEPE,WILLIAM N (HP-Cupertino)
Cc: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsdm] Action Items (RE: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216)

Igor,

 

Good write up.

 

I have some comments about the Discovery section. I think the discovery we are talking about is for discovering both the manageability endpoint and the manageability resources. For this reason, I don't think we should mention the MOWS identification capability as that is more closely associated with the business capabilities of the Web service. However, it does bring up the point that we may want to "discover" the manageability interfaces by sending messages to the manageability endpoint. Do we want to add a query for the WSDL URL to the manageability interface?

 

In part 3 of the Discovery section, you refer to searching for known QNames of manageability operations. Isn't it the manageability interfaces we are interested in and not individual operations? Even in the prerequisite section you talk about getting the descriptions of interfaces. An interface is associated with a capability, an operation is only part of a capability. Once you know that a manageability endpoint supports a capability you know it supports all of the operations defined for that capability.

 

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Sedukhin, Igor S [mailto:Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:30 PM
To: Andreas Dharmawan; Vambenepe, William N
Cc: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsdm] Action Items (RE: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216)

Attached is the document in response to my AI #20040209-I

 

-- Igor Sedukhin .. (igor.sedukhin@ca.com)
-- (631) 342-4325 .. 1 CA Plaza, Islandia, NY 11788

 

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From: Andreas Dharmawan [mailto:andreas@westbridgetech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:15 AM
To: 'Vambenepe, William N'
Cc: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [wsdm] Action Items (RE: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216)

From John DeCarlo's draft notes. Thanks John!

 

Assigned To	Date Due	Action Item	AI ID
Warren	Done	Upload the Metrics Framework	20040209-A
Andreas D.	18 February	Write an Introduction to the MUWS Specification	20040209-B
Homayoun, Heather	18 February	Write Section 4, Platform, provide to William	20040209-C
Igor	Done	Send the text on composability of manageability to Andreas	20040209-D
Heather	18 February	Provide text to Andreas to accompany the figure on WS Architecture	20040209-E
Igor and William	27 February	Resolve the issue of using URNs or URLs	20040209-F
Igor	18 February	Update the Logical Model UML diagram to remove the resource box and associated items	20040209-G
Andreas and William	18 February	Update UML Role Diagram to shade the Role boxes differently from the non-Role boxes	20040209-H
Igor	18 February	Update the Processing Model and Interaction Patterns as discussed and provide to Andreas	20040209-I
William	13 February	Add statement that MUWS Identity capability is required	20040209-J
Andreas and William	23 February	Update MUWS document as discussed, incorporating inputs and making editorial changes discussed.	20040209-K
Igor, Ellen, Karl	18 February	Update Resource State document with UML and XML as discussed.  Igor provide input to Ellen and Karl.	20040209-L
William (MUWS) Igor (MOWS)	13 February	Add XML to MUWS and MOWS for Identity and State.

 

Assigned To	Date Due	Action Item	AI ID
Andreas and Richard	27 February	Metrics - draft from today's discussion.	20040210-A
Igor and Fred	18 February	XML for Metrics.
Andreas and Richard	27 February	UML for Metrics.
Richard	27 February	Operations for Metrics.
William.	27 February	Discovery Section of MUWS Specification.  Say to use the same mechanism you use to discover Web Services.
Michael	20 February	Update Versioning UML and supply text to go along with it.
Winston	11 February	Upload Work Register 1.2 to WSDM site.
Igor	20 February	Revise MOWS 0.5 specification and upload as Draft.  Include comments discussed, such as Service Time definition and Total Requests not necessarily the sum of Faults and Success.
Heather	18 February	Write text to explain the relationship of the Counters in 0.5 to the W3C Request Processing State.  Send to Igor.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vambenepe, William N [mailto:vbp@hp.com]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:09 PM
To: Andreas Dharmawan; wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216



Thanks Andreas!

Heather/John, could you please post the list of action items that we had at the end of the F2F. That would help a lot.

Thanks,

William


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Dharmawan [mailto:andreas@westbridgetech.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:01 PM
> To: wsdm@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [wsdm] Uploaded and updated MUWS 05-20040216
>
>
> Hi team:
>
> The URL is:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsdm/download.php
> /5497/wd-w
> sdm-muws-0.5-20040216.doc
>
> In this revision:
>
> - Added Abstract and Introduction
> - Incorporated compose-ability note from Igor's email under
> architecture
> section
> - Incorporated Metrics draft from F2F, and State draft from F2F
> - Modify Identity section format to conform with the rest of
> capabilities
>
> For those who have action items due on Feb 18th, if you forward the
> deliverables by the 17th to William and me, we will incorporate them
> for the conf call.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andreas
>
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