Re: [wsdm] Terms being used in WSDM

[Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com>]

Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 7:07 PM ~)...

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> Fred Carter <fred.carter@amberpoint.com> wrote on 05/27/2004 05:02:59 PM:
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>>Thus quoth Tom Maguire (~ 27-May-04 1:28 PM ~)...
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>>>John DeCarlo <jdecarlo@mitre.org> wrote on 05/27/2004 02:43:01 PM:
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>>>>Hello,
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>>>>As was made painfully clear in today's call, the WSDM TC is using the
>>>>term "endpoint" in at least two to four different ways.  And this is
>>>>causing differences in perception of the Logical Model of MUWS.
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>>>>IMNSHO, this confusion is a "bad thing".
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>>+1 from me, too.
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>>>>2.  When we use the term "EPR", we say it is a reference to a
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>>>>(Fred has a good point here that Managed is more correct once you get
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>>>>sending SOAP messages) Resource.  And the content of the EPR is defined
>>>>in WS Addressing, maybe clarified in WS-RF.
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>>>+1 to the notion.  -1 to "Managed":  managed is a verb; manageable is
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>>>adjective.  Describing a noun/thing with a verb seems incorrect. In any
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>>>it seems like a pedantic argument since the definition of manageable is
>>>"capable of being managed".
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>>I'm not going to be too picky about the final term.  However, w.r.t.
>>parts of speech ;-)  "Managed" can be either a verb or an adjective in
>>common usage -- I am a managed person (alternatively, a person who is
>>managed), though my manager may debate whether I am manageable.
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>>Alternative examples: /Managed/ {fund, bonds, currency}, /Managed/
>>[health] care, /Managed/ lane (HOV lane).  I might humbly suggest an
>>accidental find (via "google" for "managed adjective" :-) )
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>>     http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Managed%20object
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> I might suggest, as well, that the term "managed object" used as a noun
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> speech perspective.  In all of the traditional dictionaries I checked
> "managed" was always a verb. Any term where managed was used in
> conjunction with a noun both words together were refered to as a
> noun.  For instance, "managed object", "managed care", "managed fund"
> were refered together as a noun; not an adjective and a noun.

Well, now that we're onto it, "managed" in this case is a participle, a 
form of verb functioning as an adjective in this case, modifying the 
various nouns.

 From  http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=participle

1. participle, participial -- (a non-finite form of the verb; in English 
it is used adjectivally and to form compound tenses)



This should complete the grammar lesson. :-)  And apologies to those who 
lost interest a long time ago.

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