Preliminary Minutes WSRM TC Conference
Call – Jan 06, 2004
The meeting of the WSRM TC took place by teleconference
Tuesday Jan 06 2004, from 5:30 to 6:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
(UTC - 5)
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Draft
Agenda:
Draft Agenda to WSRM TC Conference Call
1 Roll Call (late
arrival no longer counts by OASIS rules)
2 Minutes
Discussion
2.1 Appointment
of Minute Taker
2.2 Approval of
previous meeting minutes
3 Introduction to UML Model for State Charts
4 F2f Meeting
schedule
5 Discussions of
Issues
Agenda approves
1
Roll
Call
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First
Name
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Last
Name
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Email
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Role
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Company
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Joseph
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Chiusano
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chiusano_joseph@bah.com
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Member
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Booz Allen Hamilton
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Jeff
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Turpin
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jturpin@cyclonecommerce.com
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Member
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Cyclone
Commerce
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J
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Durand
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jdurand@fsw.fujitsu.com
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Member
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Fujitsu
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Kazunori
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Iwasa
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kiwasa@jp.fujitsu.com
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Secretary
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Fujitsu
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Tom
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Rutt
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tom@coastin.com
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TC
Chair
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Fujitsu
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Jishnu
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Mukerji
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jishnu@hp.com
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Member
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Hewlett-Packard
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Robert
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Freund
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bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com
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Member
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Hitachi
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Eisaku
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Nishiyama
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nishiy_e@itg.hitachi.co.jp
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Member
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Hitachi
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Nobuyuki
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Yamamoto
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no_yama@bisd.hitachi.co.jp
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Member
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Hitachi
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John
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Fuller
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jfuller@wernervas.com
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Observer
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Individual
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Junichi
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Tatemura
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tatemura@ccrl.sj.nec.com
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Member
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NEC
Corporation
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Alan
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Weissberger
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ajwdct@technologist.com
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Member
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NEC
Corporation
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Magdolna
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Gerendai
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magdolna.gerendai@nokia.com
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Member
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Nokia
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Sunil
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Kunisetty
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Sunil.Kunisetty@oracle.com
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Secretary
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Oracle
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jeff
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mischkinsky
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jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
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Member
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Oracle
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marc
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goodner
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marc.andrue.goodner@sap.com
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Secretary
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SAP
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Pete
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Wenzel
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pete@seebeyond.com
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SeeBeyond
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Doug
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Bunting
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doug.bunting@Sun.com
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Secretary
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Sun
Microsystems
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Tony
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Graham
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Tony.Graham@Sun.com
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Member
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Sun
Microsystems
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Meeting was quorate.
2
Minutes
Discussion
2.1 Appointment
of Minute Taker
Tom Rutt will take
minutes.
Doug agreed to serve for issue resolutions.
2.1 Approval
of previous meeting minutes
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/4803/MinutesWSRMTC%201216.htm
Jishnu moved to accept the 12/02 minutes. Jeff Turpin seconded.
No opposition, 12/16 minutes approved.
3
Introduction
to UML model for WS-Reliability Protocol
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/4878/WS-ReliabilityModelContribution-010504.pdf
To discuss in detail at F2F
meeting.
Section 3.1 and 3.3.
State of process of a single
message.
Discuss these at the meeting..
4
Discussion of Jan F2F
Wed Jan 14, 15 and 16.
Agreed to for 8:30 coffee time, 9:00 starting time, 5:30 ending time.
Friday go to 5:30 as well.
Bridge each morning from 9:00 to 11:00.
Sunil will send a mail with the detailed
address.
Everyone who plans to attend send mail
Jishnu not
Joe Chiusano not
Tony not
Jeff turpin.
Thursday noon pacific time.
15
Send mail to sunil and
tom if you plan to attend the meeting.
Conference bridge in
mornings.
From 9 to 11 first day.
9:30 AM to 11 each day in morning. For a conference bridge.
Bridge number will be send before the meeting.
5
Discussion
of Issues
Iwasa posted new
editor’s draft at:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/4888/WS-Reliability-2004-01-06-withHistory.pdf
Change bars are relative to the three
issues. The place they have changed 2.5
and 2.4 and explanation for attributes.
Basline document for
meeting, everyone should send comments to list.
Sunil posted new schema at:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/4906/ws-reliability-2004-01-06.xsd
Sunil stated the changes are name changes, and
style changes.
Use this for the baseline for meeting. Send comments to list
Latest issues list:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsrm/download.php/4907/wsrm-reqm-issues-2004-01-06.html
Doug
introduced the updated issues list.
Resolutions
are pointed to in the email archive.
Doug
believes the current issue status are correct.
If
anyone has problems they should send to the list.
What
we can do after people have reviewed the latest schema spec doc, is close the
12 issues in the completed status. We
need to confirm that the accepted resolution has been reflected in the doc.
Tom
suggested to put this on the agenda.
Doug
suggested that we could do two things on this teleconf:
1)
go thru three remaining
unassigned issues and see if anyone wants to take action to resolve them.
2)
Start at beginning of active issues and decided what
the next step is for each of them.
Let
Doug and Mark know what issues have been incorporated into the document.
5.1
Rel 45 Handling message delivery failure cases.
Sunil
stated this is not an issue.
He
wants time to get back if it is so.
Doug
will close no action after Sunil’s response.
5.2
Rel 80
Title: Need way to communicate
configuration information Description:
If the spec has a configuration
parameter in it we need a way to determine the information for both the sender
and reciever. See REL-56
Tom
stated that the necessary parameters are communicated in the protocol.
Jeff,
we need to determine how to specify them and how to communicate them.
This
could be rel 85.
Rel 56 describes configuration in spec.
Doug:
we have a negotiation issue we decided to leave out of scope.
This
is a policially viable subset.
Pete:
Dale Mulberg referenced CTA.
Jacques;
Retry interval, number of retries do not need to be communicated from rmps, but we need to be able to talk about them.
Jacques
has a team working on rel 56.
Rel 80 is a subset of rel 30 closed, no action.
This
is specifically having two parties learn about capabilities of other end.
Doug:
could say out of scope at moment, and parms in rel 50 that are not part of the protocol do not need to be
communicated.
This
could come with Rel 56 subteam.
Jacques
agreed to have the rel 56 team.
Doug
moved to close the issue with no action. Jacques seconded.
No
opposition issue rel 80 closed.
5.3
Rel 95
Configuration
parameter visibility
Doug
moved to close no action. Jacques seconded.
No
opposition, issue closed.
5.4
Rel 22
Use of optionality.
Schedule
a walkthrough at f2f to fix this.
5.5
Rel 29
Mandatory
Features, Which
are mandatory to implement.
Doug
asked if the group feels the protocol is stable enough to work on conformance.
Tom
stated he belives we are
ready to do this.
Put
this on agenda for f2f.
5.6
Rel 49
Non
normative wsdl annotation
Define
non normative WSDL binding of WSRM operations in appendix to specification.
This will allow sender to discover that a recipient supports the WS-RM
protocol. Goes a bit deeper than just "I support
WS-RM" to cover some granularity such as "I support ordered
delivery". Granularity remains an open question.
Paulo concerned about closing REL-7.
His concern may be addressed through this issue.
Sunil
stated he send a proposal several months ago.
He has made some changes. He will send a proposal by Monday or Tuesday to
discuss at face to face. This is for
server side.
Will put on the agenda to discuss at meeting.
5.7
Rel 59 thru Rel 79
Issues which correspond to our requirements document.
Doug:
all of these will take some discussion, and we need to decide as a group
whether we are meeting our original requirements.
Will put this on the agenda for the f2f meeting.
5.8
Rel 83 84, 85, 86
These are originated from Rel 56.
Jacques stated we can close rel
85, since it is covered by timing parameters.
Jacques state the rest should be handled as part of Rel 56 team.
The Rel 56 team will come up with
a resolution of these with Rel 56.
Jacques stated that Rel 85 and Rel 86 will most likely be withdrawn.
Jacques agreed to work on a proposal for all of these
together.
Jacques will put this on the list before the end of the
week.
Rel 89 relates to rel 57, which has been completed. Doug asked if it does relate.
Jacques, we did not set hard limits, but described the
rules.
Jacques, we might need a global issue to have a fault to use
in the case of memory or other resources being exceeded.
ACTION: Agreed to add this as a new issue.
Agreed to schedule a one hour telecom week after f2f.
Discuss
the further schedule at the f2f.