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Subject: Re: [wsrm] Proposal to progress beyond 1.01J
1.01 H was my action item to back out the non agreed changes from 1.01 1.01J was Jacques action item to introduce a respond primitive. I agre that it is probable better to reach consensus on a direction before another draft. However, people should feel free to propose changes to help make their points clear. Sunil Kunisetty wrote: > > While I couldn't follow all the mails as it has been very hectic for > me last few mails, > I just can't understand the mails I read and I really don't > understand what the issue is. > There are so many drafts and I don't really understand what we are > solving here. > > I think we should STOP updaing the drafts until we finalize the > technical issues if > any. Could someone summarize the real technical issue? > > As far sending cached responses for DE, it is totally impractical > and a strong NO-NO > from Oracle. > > -Sunil > > Tom Rutt wrote: > >> Proposal for more accurate WS-Reliability Model: >> >> Add a definition for the Respond abstract operation, as proposed by >> Jacques in 1.01J. >> >> Include the response conveyance as a potential part of the Notify >> operation, as proposed by Jacques. >> >> To maintain the design requirement that the RMP does not have to be >> aware of the WSDL for the payload, make invocation of the Respond >> operation optional for the >> Callback and Poll reply patterns. For these patterns, the Receiving RMP >> could just ignore the Respond invocation if it occurs >> , since it is totally in control of initiating the >> response with these two reply patterns. If a response is conveyed by >> the Respond operation it would be >> put in the underlying response to the reliable message request, but >> the Sending RMP would not have to >> deal with it, since it will get its reply thru a callback or a poll. >> For the callback and poll pattern the Receiving RMP response >> initiation would be independent of whether the >> respond primitive is invoked or not. >> >> However, if the response reply pattern is requested, there needs to >> be an added requirement that the Respond operation is invoked by the >> Consumer on the Receiving RMP. That would be the trigger for the >> Receiving RMP to add its soap header block with the reply to the soap >> response. >> >> >> For Duplicate elimination case, the Receiving RMP should be allowed >> to return a cached copy of the original Respond contents. This is >> desirable behaviour. If the Sending RMP had successfully received >> the first response and conveyed it to the producer, it could ignore >> the second response, or do other things dependent on the local >> implementation of the Notify primitive. >> >> If the response to the duplicate invocation is not available to the >> Receving RMP, then it can return an empty soap body with its ack >> reply for the duplicate. >> In the typical case, by the time the Sending RMP receives the second >> ack, it will have already delivered the response to its producer >> using the Notify operation. The receving RMP in this case can just >> ignore the ack response to the duplicate invoke, not caring that the >> body is empty. >> >> The only case which would be troublesome is when the original >> response was lost, say to a transport connection failure. The >> sending RMP would see the second empty body ack as the response for >> the original invocation and would deal with it in a manner specific >> to the implementation of the Notify operation on the sending sysem. >> >> >> >> This is a minimal fix which meets the needs of the specification, in >> my opinion. >> >> Comments please. >> >> Tom Rutt >> > -- ---------------------------------------------------- Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@us.fujitsu.com Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133
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