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Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] Issue #31: MINIMIZED state does not necessarilymeanno markup.


Gil - I don't see the JSR168 issue. I talked to Stefan Hepper who told me
that in JSR168 the render method will also be called in minimized mode.
What exactly is the issue?


Best regards
Carsten Leue

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Dr. Carsten Leue
Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory Böblingen , Germany
Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401



                                                                           
             Gil Tayar                                                     
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                                       RE: [wsrp-wsia] Issue #31:          
                                       MINIMIZED state does not            
                                       necessarily       meanno markup.    
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




I have added Rich's text below to the issue's proposed resolution, and left
it as tentatively resolved.

Mike, I think we should create a new issue on the difference from JSR168.
Would you like me to create it?

Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Freedman [mailto:Michael.Freedman@oracle.com]
Sent: Wed, October 16, 2002 17:57
To: wsrp-wsia
Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] Issue #31: MINIMIZED state does not necessarily
meanno markup.


My point was that the JSR has defined different semantics than this and
that
this issue indicated the
proper result was for it to do otherwise.  If you think this issue is about
defining the semantics of VIEW_MINIMIZED, it does and can therefore be
marked resolved.  I will just go
ahead and open a new issue stating that our semantics of VIEW_MINIMIZED
differ from the JSR.  When I
wrote this note, I assumed it might make sense to use this issue as the
placeholder for being out of
sync.  Let me know if you want me to open an issue.
     -Mike-

Rich Thompson wrote:

> I think we do need to define semantics for things such as this and while
> syncing up with the JSR work is important, it should not impede producing
> such definitions (if the JSR suggest changes after we define semantics,
we
> should engage them in a discussion as to why and re-resolve the
semantics).
> Perhaps the sentence that suggests it is in sync with JSR168 should be
> deleted (Gil?). Current language is:
>
>   When  the window state is VIEW_MINIMIZED, the entity SHOULD render
itself
>   using  minimal  space. The entity SHOULD render no visible markup in
this
>   case,  but  is  free  to  include  non-visible data such as javascript
or
>   hidden  forms. The Consumer MUST invoke the getMarkup() operation for
the
>   VIEW_MINIMIZED  state  just  as for all other window states. The
Consumer
>   MAY render the title, controls and decorations related to the entity.
>
>   I  would note that Andre suggested that some Consumers may want to show
a
>   small  image  when  the entity is minimized ... I would suggest that
this
>   not  pollute  these semantics, but that it would be a custom window
state
>   of the flavor 'Iconized'.
>
>
>                       Michael Freedman
>                       <Michael.Freedman@        To:       wsrp-wsia
<wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org>
>                       oracle.com>               cc:
>                                                 Subject:  [wsrp-wsia] re:
Issues for 10/7
>                       10/15/2002 06:53
>                       PM
>
>
>
> There are few issues this week that have been marked to move from
> tentative to resolved that I don't think are ready yet.  Here are the
> comments for those issues:
>
> Issue #31:  MINIMIZED state does not necessarily mean no markup.
>     The resolution suggests that its in sync with JSR 168.  However, the
> JSR has not synched with this resolution.  This should remain open until
> we can resolve with the JSR.
>
>     -Mike-
>
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