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Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] Proposed Resolution: URL rewriting of GET formactions



Sounds very reasonable



Best regards
Carsten Leue

-------
Dr. Carsten Leue
Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory B÷blingen , Germany
Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401



                                                                           
             "Timothy N.                                                   
             Jones"                                                        
             <tim@crossweave.c                                          To 
             om>                       wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org      
                                                                        cc 
             10/31/2002 08:10                                              
             PM                                                    Subject 
                                       RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] Proposed    
                                       Resolution: URL rewriting of GET    
                                       form actions                        
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




Good point.  How about:

"Entities MUST NOT include forms with method=GET in HTML or XHTML generated

markup to which URL rewriting will be applied."

Tim

Quoting Eilon Reshef <eilon.reshef@webcollage.com>:

> How do we plan to implement "leak" scenario?
>
> Namely, suppose a Google portlet only includes the search box, and when
> the user hits the "Search" button the intent is to take the user outside
> the portal to a Google-only page, or even in a new window.
>
> Wouldn't the portlet in this case be allowed to use <form method=get>?
>
> If that is the case, an alternative statement would be along the lines
> of (needs wording)
>
> Entities MUST NOT include forms with method=get in conjunction with URL
> rewriting...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy N. Jones [mailto:tim@crossweave.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:52 AM
> To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] Proposed Resolution: URL rewriting of
> GET form actions
>
>
> I believe Rich is right (see my earlier message about Producer having to
> parse
> the Consumer-supplied URL) -- GETs won't work in either rewriting
> scenario.
>
> Tim
>
> Quoting Rich Thompson <richt2@us.ibm.com>:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In considering this tweak of the proposal, how can the Producer
> > generate an URL complying with the Consumer's template if portions of
> > it (the query
> > string) are buried in the value of a parameter of the URL the browser
> > dynamically builds from the form submission? I think it is not just
> for
> > Consumer URL rewriting that the prohibition applies ....
> >
> >
> >
>
> >                       Gil Tayar
>
> >                       <Gil.Tayar@webcol        To:
> > wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> >                       lage.com>                cc:
>
> >                                                Subject:  RE:
> > [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] Proposed Resolution: URL
> >                       10/30/2002 02:51          rewriting of GET
> form
> > actions
> >                       AM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Because this problem appears only in Consumer URL rewriting, I have a
> > small change to this resolution:
> >
> > "Entities MUST NOT include  forms with method=GET  when generating
> > HTML or XHTML markup when relying on Consumer URL rewriting"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gil Tayar [mailto:Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com]
> > Sent: Wed, October 30, 2002 09:41
> > To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] Proposed Resolution: URL rewriting of GET
>
> > form actions
> >
> >
> > Resolution Date: 14-Nov-2002
> > Proposed by: Rich Thompson
> > Proposed Resolution:
> > Entities MUST NOT include  forms with method=GET  when generating HTML
>
> > or XHTML markup.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timothy N. Jones [mailto:tim@crossweave.com]
> > Sent: Wed, October 23, 2002 19:56
> > To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL rewriting of GET form actions
> >
> >
> > Sounds good to me -- this was the (b) option I originally proposed.  I
>
> > am fine with disallowing GET forms, but we have to say so in the spec.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > Quoting Rich Thompson <richt2@us.ibm.com>:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would prefer that we add a conformance statement to the effect
> > "Entities
> > > MUST NOT include  forms with method=GET  when generating HTML or
> > > XHTML markup."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                       Andre Kramer
> > >                       <andre.kramer@eu.        To:       "'Carsten
> Leue'"
> > > <CLEUE@de.ibm.com>,
> > >                       citrix.com> wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >                                                cc:
> > >                       10/23/2002 05:40         Subject:  RE:
> [wsrp-wsia]
> > > [I#115] URL rewriting of GET form actions
> > >                       AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stepping back for a second (or 6 days), does anyone actually wish to
> use
> > > HTML forms with GET actions? I don't, so should we even attempt to
> > support
> > > this (given browser problems and likely impact of asking Portlets to
> > > include
> > > a hidden field)?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Andre
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carsten Leue [mailto:CLEUE@de.ibm.com]
> > > Sent: 17 October 2002 15:46
> > > To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL rewriting of GET form actions
> > >
> > >
> > > Andre - I like that idea. Would you mind to write a more detailed
> > proposal?
> > > Is this something that would surface in the spec or that would just
> be a
> > > hint?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Carsten Leue
> > >
> > > -------
> > > Dr. Carsten Leue
> > > Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory B÷blingen , Germany
> > > Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              Andre Kramer
> > >              <andre.kramer@eu.
> > >              citrix.com>
> > To
> > >
> wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >              10/17/2002 01:17
> > cc
> > >              PM
> > >
> > Subject
> > >                                        RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL
> > >                                        rewriting of GET form actions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How about using just one hidden field with the value set equal to
> the URL
> > > (the example form action)? Then we can run the same algorithm (no
> HTML
> > > parsing)?
> > >
> > >              -- Andre
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gil Tayar [mailto:Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com]
> > > Sent: 17 October 2002 10:35
> > > To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL rewriting of GET form actions
> > >
> > >
> > > Carsten,
> > >
> > > Although I do have an answer, let me note that Timothy Jones raised
> the
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > My answer is that this concerns the spec regarding Consumer-side URL
> > > rewriting, as the spec defines  Consumer URL rewriting as a
> > > search-and-replace thing. Now if the wsia:rewrite occurs inside a
> <form
> > > method=GET action="wsia:rewrite..." then the Consumer (from what I
> > > understand, and I may be missing something) must understand the HTML
> and
> > > add
> > > the correct hidden fields to the form, meaning the Consumer MUST
> parse
> > the
> > > HTML to do this.
> > >
> > > Then again, I may be missing something,
> > > Gil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carsten Leue [mailto:CLEUE@de.ibm.com]
> > > Sent: Thu, October 17, 2002 10:53
> > > To: Gil Tayar
> > > Cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL rewriting of GET form actions
> > >
> > >
> > > Gil - as this problem is more or less a standard HTML problem I
> would
> > have
> > > assumed that the parameters would have to be encoded as hidden input
> > > fields, so the resulting request URL contains the correct
> parameters. Do
> > > you think that we have to detail this aspect in the spec?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Carsten Leue
> > >
> > > -------
> > > Dr. Carsten Leue
> > > Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory B÷blingen , Germany
> > > Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              Gil Tayar
> > >              <Gil.Tayar@webcol
> > >              lage.com>
> > To
> > >
> wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >              10/17/2002 10:34
> > cc
> > >              AM
> > >
> > Subject
> > >                                        [wsrp-wsia] [I#115] URL
> rewriting
> > >                                        of GET form actions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Status: Active
> > > Topic: markup
> > > Class: Technical
> > > Title: URL rewriting of GET form actions
> > > Raised by: Timothy Jones
> > > Date Added: 17-Oct-2002
> > > Document Section: Core Spec v0.7 section 9.2
> > > Description:
> > > Web browsers generally discard query string parameters included in
> the
> > > action
> > > URL of forms that use the "GET" method.  In the example below the
> HTTP
> > > request
> > > to the server corresponding to the form submission will contain the
> > > "param2"
> > >
> > > parameter but not the "param1" parameter.
> > >
> > > <form method="get" action="http://...?param1=value1";>
> > >              <input name="param2" value="value2" type="hidden"/>
> > >              <input type="submit"/>
> > > </form>
> > >
> > > If the URL rewriting method described in 9.2 implies that "meta"
> > parameters
> > >
> > > will be added to an URL, then this method will not work on GET form
> > actions
> > >
> > > (e.g., consider "param1" in the example above as a meta parameter).
> > >
> > > Two solutions come to mind: (a) when rewriting a GET form action URL
> the
> > > meta
> > > parameters could be added as hidden inputs to the form, or (b) the
> spec
> > > could
> > > disallow GET forms in Producer generated markup.
> > >
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