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Subject: Re: [wsrp] lifetime of a portletInstanceKey


I can't remember that we ever argued against the wording here.
I think the agreement is that we said the namespace prefix must (no spec
lang) be constant throughout the consuemer's usage a that particular
portlet handle usage.
So I guess we left this open for the editor :-) to add the correct wording.
I think a MUST is really better here. The semantic is the one we agreed on
so why don't we make it a conformance statement.
The same applies to the instanceKey. I would presume the instanceKey is
anyway of the same value as the namespace prefix.
Or are the impls out there doing otherwise?

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,

        Richard Jacob
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             Rich Thompson                                                 
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I don't see a reason not require portletInstanceKey also remain constant.
Is the use case for requesting this related to the chance that it might
change during a single End-User session? If so, I don't see a SHOULD adding
any value. The only value comes if the Producer can depend on this (most
likely do already). A SHOULD would simply point out that it can't be
depended on ... a MUST would be a different story.

I forget who argued against the namespacePrefix statement being a "MUST",
but "required" is still a strong requirement ... I certainly wouldn't
change it to a SHOULD (makes it undependable and so Producers would have to
code for it changing)! If we added a MUST statement relative to the
duration of the portletInstanceKey, I could see changing this into a MUST
while changing its tie to the portletInstanceKey rather than the
portletHandle.

Rich

                                                                           
 Subbu Allamaraju <subbu@bea.com>                                          
                                                                           
                                                                           
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At the JSR286 EG F2F, the question of whether portletInstanceKey is
required to be constant across the lifetime of consumer's usage is
required to be a the same or not came up.

Our impression is that this key should be a constant, but there is no
direct mention of this in the spec.

Should we add a statement like the following in Sec 6.1.3.

"The Consumer SHOULD supply the same value for the lifetime of its usage
of a portlet in order to allow the producer to manage any state within
Producer supplied mechanisms."

Similarly, for the namespacePrefix field, any reason not to make the
following statement to use a conformance term like SHOULD?

"In order to support items that could become part of a URL activation,
this token is required to be constant for the lifetime of the
portletHandle and be the value used for both Consumer and Producer
namespacing (see [Section 10.3])."

Subbu
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