Tony,
Rather than deride Nokia for non-participation, perhaps you could point
us to a document that clearly states how participants in your workshops
can drive the results. You state that it is your opinion that they can.
Nokia is asking that you demonstrate how. In my opinion, that would be
the more productive approach.
You could start by answering some simple questions: What are the
process rules for these workshops? Who governs them? How are disputes
adjudicated? Answers to those questions might elicit other questions
and a healthy dialogue on this topic might be established. This list
wouldn't be an appropriate venue but OASIS does have a mechanism for
establishing a discussion list; perhaps we should use it.
Regarding Liberty's decision to contribute a portion of our
specifications to the OASIS SSTC; that decision was made by Liberty's
Board after receiving a request from the SSTC itself. This was a
request between organizations and was handled in the manner prescribed
by both.
Your final paragraph indicates that WS-Policy "has not quite exited the
process". How does it, (or any other WS-* spec) exit the process?
Bill
Anthony Nadalin wrote:
Frederick,
Authors seem to handle differently, I disagree about your
observation that "they" cannot drive the results
of the process, since Nokia has chosen not to participate as an author
I don't think they can comment on the process w/o inserting speculation.
I agree that authors of specification take
different routes, as the Liberty authors took a different route to
submit to a standards body (OASIS) that authors of other specifications
have taken and as you say there pros and cons.
I believe that I did answer Oliver's
question, the process is documented at the site I have and I indicated
that once the process is complete its the authors (collectivity)
intention to take the specifications to a standards body, this
indicates that WS-Policy has not quite exited the process.
Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
<Frederick.Hirsch@nokia.com>
We should be clear to answer
Oliver's question.
The process you reference is
different from an open standardization process. For example, feedback
from comment session need not be incorporated, and parties
participating in these sessions don't have standing similar to voting
members of an OASIS TC - they cannot drive the results of the process.
Intention to approve at a
standards body is different from developing an open standard in an open
forum. This is not to argue that there are tradeoffs and some
combination might have value, but we should be clear in answering
Oliver's question.
Nobody has yet answered Olivers
question regarding WS-Policy.
regards, Frederick
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From: ext Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:03 AM
To: Marc Hadley
Cc: Marc.Hadley@Sun.COM;
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At the completion of the process documented, its
the intention of all the authors that the given specification(s) be
taken to the appropriate standards body (lots of factors here that
authors voice as part of the feedback sessions). Is there something
specific you are hunting for here ?
Anthony Nadalin | work 512.838.0085 | cell 512.289.4122
Marc Hadley
<Marc.Hadley@Sun.COM>
On May 21, 2004, at 9:20 AM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:
> Please see the following URL for the process that is used to take
> specifications to a standards body:
>
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/offers/WS-Specworkshops/
>
Can you be a bit more specific, there's no mention of standards bodies
on that page at all and I couldn't find anything by following any of
the links on that page either.
Thanks,
Marc.
>
> WS-Policy defines how the WSDL can be augmented to describe the
> functional assurance. Why is WS-Policy not a spec of OASIS?
WS-Policy
> is a common spec which is used in other specs either.
>
> -Oliver
>
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Marc Hadley <marc.hadley at sun.com>
Web Products, Technologies and Standards, Sun Microsystems.
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