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Subject: Minutes for 14 June 2012 TC Meeting



Time: 13:00 EDT
Tel: 513-241-0892 Access Code: 65998

Minutes for 14 June 2012 TC Meeting:


I. Roll Call

Voting
  Crystal Hayes
  Rich Levinson
  Hal Lockhart
  Bill Parducci
  Erik Rissanen
  Remon Sinnema
  David Staggs
  Danny Thorpe

Non-voting
  David Brossard
  Jean-Paul

Quorum achieved: 80% per Oasis site.


  &  Approve Minutes: 31 May 2012 TC Meeting
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00095.html
   updated:
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00097.html

    updated minutes approved no objections


II. Administrivia

  XACML V3.0 15-day Public Review
   comment from tc-admin: 2 uri's need update: directions included
    for enabling the updates to be permanent
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00098.html

   v3 Core still in Public Review
    some discussion as to whether tc-admin comments will require another
	public review - maybe not as the refs are intended to be
 ->	updateable in some manner; erik will investigate

    XACML 3.0 Public review 04 - Feedback from TSCP
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00022.html

       Jean-Paul: reviewed the proposal he posted to the TC list
 ->     hal: tc should review the proposal, as was rcvd shortly before mtg


  XACML 2 / 3.0 advancement at ITUT:
   actions to coordinate w BOA: abbie and radu have been taken

    ITU-T nothing more to say until core through oasis std process


  IETF - PLASMA
   TC voted that john/hal's response to plasma is official:
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00041.html

   Hal posted plasma comments to plasma mailing list
    http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/plasma/current/msg00084.html


  Paul Tyson leaving TC due to sponsoring company withdrawal
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00010.html
  Paul's contributions will be missed:
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00012.html

    paul: emailed parting comments (semantic web and natural lang rule sets):
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00025.html



III. Issues Active on List

  XACML IPC WD-08 and CS-01 diff uploaded
   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00008.html

    some questions as to whether above is cd or cs vote; john not
	here today to clarify


  Export Control (EC) xacml-3 0-ec-us-v1-0-spec-wd-04a-en uploaded
   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00009.html


  REST Profile of XACML v3.0 Version 1.0, working draft 05 uploaded
   https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00103.html

    ray: tried for balance w admin and req/rsp hoping to keep the
	admin in the profile
    danny:must posted policies references be resolvable when they
	are posted; craig had some pushback on that;
    ray: spec'd that it is a may or may not.
    hal: thinks there are still issues like supporting outer saml
	wrapper; mentioned in earlier email that hal will ref.
	interface to policies as deployment "option" seems risky
	in terms of unintended consequences: i.e. whether policy
	change impacts current pdp behavior;
    hal: wants to see json/xml req/rsp go out the door, independent
	of admin
    ray: concerned that profile will not have much left w/o admin;
    hal: if goal is simplicity, then that is not a disadvantage
    danny: rest-api could have different contexts; not defining
	the repository but an api to get to the repository;
    jean-paul: agrees w hal about uncertainty is an issue;
    danny: if post becomes effective on repository that may
	not be to the pdp as well; outside the scope as to
	how repos data gets to pdp;
    hal: sec 2.2.1 types of policy admin points might
    ray: pdp could pull policies from repos, but no push is defined
    hal: would like to see req/rsp stdized asap;
    danny: clarifying that policy post and retrieval has no impact
	on any other synch of policy
    hal: saml had thing to pull policy updates, then people started
	to use it for policy provisioning;
    jean-paul: use case: submit policy to pdp, bound to one version
	of policy; if another partner signs new version of policy
	and 2nd version is applicable to them; want to be precise
	about version currently pulling out.
    danny: rest api is crud front end, backend effects are outside
	the scope;

   note: above discussion applies to some of topics below as well:


  REST Profile - REST API follow up:
   danny: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00096.html
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00100.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00101.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00105.html
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00106.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00000.html
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00005.html

  REST API -- finding a policy based on it's PolicyId
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00108.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00001.html
   danny: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00006.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00007.html
   jean-paul: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00016.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00017.html


  JSON mapping choices
   danny: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00099.html
   david: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00013.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00014.html
   david: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00015.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00018.html
   david: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00019.html

  david: final draft may be ready tonight; generally want to lose no
	info when going xml<->json.
  hal: single schema to avoid circular references
  erik: obligations created issues


  REST Profile - PAP Issues
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00102.html
   ray: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00104.html
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00107.html
   prateek: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00002.html
   anil: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00003.html
   craig: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00004.html


  Proposed PAP Architecture
   hal: https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201206/msg00020.html

   jean-paul: thinks this is good approach; wiki should
	be good placeholder for reqts not specified so far,
	whether intra or inter domain.
   hal: people can update the wiki as they want;
   danny: thanks for getting that started; looking for common
	terminology; change approval, where senior admin needs
	to approve: is that something that should be in scope?
   hal: original (2001) tc inherited model from iso which helped
	move things along, possibly that would apply here as well.
   hal: objective to define simple interfaces


 other business:

   hal: next call is in 2 weeks: 28-Jun-12; same time, same number

   meeting adjourned 2:04 PM EDT



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 no new activity on the following items carried over:

  REST Profile - General Plan
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00025.html

  REST Profile - PDP Issues
   http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/201205/msg00037.html
   (continuation)





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