RE: [xliff] Discussion: XLIFF inline elements attribute...

["Doug Domeny" <ddomeny@ektron.com>]

Florian,

Using the attribute as hint to the translator is a clever idea. In fact, I
think we should consider adding an attribute for that express purpose, like
'title' or 'tooltip'. Since lex-replace (or by any other name) will be used
for word counting, I think it may cause problems to overload it with the
descriptive text.

For example,

<t-u maxwidth="40" units="chars">
<source><ph lex-replace="count">%2d</ph> characters found in <ph
lex-replace="Name of the file with a long descriptive
text">%12s</ph>.</source>

becomes the following after lex parsing:

"count characters found in Name of the file with a long descriptive text."

Concerns:

1. 'count' is more than 2 digits and may exceed the maxwidth constraint
causing the translator extra work to reduce the size.

2. Although the file name should be considered one word, the long
descriptive text artificially inflates the word count. (any may exceed the
maxwidth constraint)

In XLIFF 1.1 (without the lex-replace attribute), inline tags are not
counted, so the parsed text would be:

" characters found in ."

which isn't exactly right either.

I suppose the preferred lexical equivalent would be:

"00 characters found in ssssssssssss."

which could be represented in XLIFF as: 

<source><ph lex-replace="00" title="number of characters">%2d</ph>
characters found in <ph lex-replace="ssssssssssss" title="file
name">%12s</ph>.</source>

Regards,
 
Doug Domeny
Software Analyst
 
Ektron, Inc.
+1 603 594-0249 x212
http://www.ektron.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Florian Sachse [mailto:florian@passolo.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:18 AM
To: 'Andrzej Zydron'
Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: AW: [xliff] Discussion: XLIFF inline elements attribute...

Hi Tony,

I like lex-replace, too. Instead of a single character it could also be a
decriptive text of a placeholder. As you know translation of strings with
place holders can be confusing because of limited context information:

%d charcters found in %s.

could be represented as:

<ph lex-replace="count">%d</ph> characters found in <ph lex-replace="file
name">%s</ph>.

So lex-replace is what it does.

Best regards from Bonn,
Florian

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrzej Zydron [mailto:azydron@xml-intl.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. März 2006 11:29
Cc: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: Re: [xliff] Discussion: XLIFF inline elements attribute...


Hi Tony,

My vote goes to:

lex-replace

Best Regards,

AZ

Tony Jewtushenko wrote:
> As per discussion proposed by Andzrej:
>
>
>
> XLIFF inline elements with spacial characteristics:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00001.html
>
> Response from Florian:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00005.html
>
> Response from Andzrej:
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00006.html
>
>
>
> We need to select an appropriate name for the attribute.  Suggestions so
> far are:
>
>
>
>     * rawreplace
>     * textequivalent
>     * textapproximation
>     * subst
>     * equiv
>     * equiv-lex
>     * lev-equiv
>     * lex-replace
>
> *Please submit opinions on which suggestions are not suitable (ie.,
> should not be considered),  and any new additions.  I would like to
> submit a ballot on Tuesday with a recommendation.*
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Tony*
>
> * *
>
> *Tony Jewtushenko*
>
> Director- R&D - Product Innovator Ltd. (Ireland)
>
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