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XLIFF TC Monthly Teleconference has been modified by Rodolfo Raya

Date:  Tuesday, 15 July 2008
Time:  11:00am - 12:00pm ET

Event Description:
1/ Call one of the FreeConferenceCall phone numbers:
US: (712) 432-1600
US: (605) 772-3100
Austria: 0820 4000 1552
Belgium: 070 35 9974
France: 0826 100 256
Germany: 01805 00 76 09
Ireland: 0818 270 021
Italy: 848 390 156
Netherlands: 0870 001 920
Spain: 902 886025
Switzerland: 0848 560 179
UK: 0870 35 204 74
 
2/ Enter the Participant Access Code: 737043#
 
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Agenda:
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1/ Roll call
 
2/ Approve previous meeting minutes:
Accept, reject, or amend. (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200806/msg00000.html)
 
3/ Announcements
 A. University of Limerick - funded localisation research positions - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200806/msg00006.html
 B. XLIFF/DITA collaboration meeting took place - joint webinar scheduled
 C. OAXAL Kickoff meeting took place
 
4/ Issues
 A. Do we need additional split-and-merge capability for XLIFF 2.0?  Or are the current mechanisms adequate? (Rodolfo and Magnus)
 B. " element and xml:space handling" (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200804/msg00003.html) (Asgeir)
      - Shall we table discussion on this, and include it in the skeleton element issue? Or does it stand alone?
 C. Resource Guides are still marked as "Draft"
      - Mary and Bryan established that the Resource Guides are not part of the specification so Committee Draft is the correct status
        (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200806/msg00003.html)
      - These will be covered by the proposed new OASIS document type, "Informational Document"
 D. XLIFF Comment list inquiry: "XLIFF vs. PO vs. Trolltech" (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/200805/msg00000.html)
 
5/ Preparing for a vote on Eric's representation guide (ICU Resource Bundle)
   (http://source.icu-project.org/repos/icu/icuhtml/trunk/design/locale/xliff-profile-icuresourcebundle-1.2.htm)
 A. Rodolfo to test XLIFF code samples
 B. Rodolfo and Eric to adapt the guide to the current templates
 
6/ Asgeir created a robust tracking mechanism (a syndication page) for XLIFF 2.0 ideas (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200804/msg00001.html), (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/Ideas/MyIdea) - perhaps we should consider this vs. our current tracking page.  Should we consolidate them? Or do they serve unique purposes?
 
7/ XLIFF 1.2 Errata draft (Asgeir)
  
 A. Asgeir created a page on the wiki with the known Errata for XLIFF 1.2.
    http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF1.2/Errata
 B. Bryan to check with Mary McRae if a minor release is enough (no vote).
 
8/ XLIFF 2.0 Goals (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0Goals)
 
 A. Reports from Requirements owners on status of requirement
 B. Continue to classify remaining Potential Goals (Must Have, Should Have, Nice to Have)
 C. XLIFF 2.0 Requirements Document draft
 D. Begin to write the actual "XLIFF Version 2.0 Working Draft"
 
9/ TC charter may need a review and update (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xliff/charter.php)
 A. Mary outlined the criteria for updating the charter: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200806/msg00004.html
 
10/ Reports from liaisons involved with other standards groups:
 A. W3C i18n
 B. Oscar
 C. LRC
 D. OASIS DITA Translation Subcommittee
 E. OAXAL
 
11/ New Business
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Minutes:
Roll Call: Bryan Shnabel, Magnus Martikainen, Asgeir Frimannsson, Tony Jewtushenko, Rodolfo Raya, Eric Mader, Doug Domeny and Andrzej Zydron.

Apologies: Christian Lieske and Milan Karasek

Rodolfo moved to accept minutes and Tony seconded.

Announcements:

* Bryan reported that there is an open position at LRC. Reinhard Schaler said that the LRC wishes to become more active in the XLIFF TC.

* A joint call for organizing a DITA/XLIFF webinar was held last week. Tony and Bryan summarized the details. Bryan will contact JoAnn Hackos and post the call minutes. 

* OAXAL is a new OASIS TC that will try to relate all translation and publishing open standards. The initial meeting was held yesterday and Andrzej Zydron summarized the goals of OAXAL.

Improvements for XLIFF 2.0:

 * Split and merge. Splitting segments can be implemented using {seg-source} elements. Merge can be done using {group} as mentioned in section 2.8 of the specification. However, it would be nice to have a mechanism that allows merging the content of source text that facilitates exporting translated segments as TMX or to a format suitable for importing in  translation memory system. Magnus and Rodolfo will discuss this issue off list and provide feedback to the TC.

 * The need for mapping {note} to source/target fragments when using {seg-source} was discussed. Magnus mentioned a potential solution and will submit a proposal.

 * There is a need for an element that contains changes done to {target} to keep a revision history. A few options for implementing this feature were suggested. A proposal that incorporate use cases and a potential solution was requested to TC members.

 * Changes to {source} elements were defined as a bad idea. Typos in {source} should be corrected by modifying {seg-source} elements. Bryan suggested including this conclusion in the FAQ.

 * The full content of {source} should be included in {seg-source}. XLIFF 1.2 specification needs to be corrected and spaces between sentences should be included in the examples. The change should be included in the upcoming Errata for XLIFF 1.2.

 * Asgeirs comments about xml:space attributes were briefly discussed. Asgeir proposes adding the xml:space attribute to {source} and {target} and removing it from higher level elements. Preserving spaces in the internal skeleton is essential. Bryan suggested removing xml:space from the schema and allowing attributes extensions in all elements.

Bryan suggested to start preparing a draft for XLIFF 1.2 errata.

Ballot: meeting day and meeting time stay will remain unchanged. It was suggested to have biweekly meetings starting on September/October.

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