RE: [xri-editors] Groups - wd-xri-specification-01.doc uploaded

["Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com>]

Great feedback. Exactly the kind of stuff a first draft is supposed to
shake out.
 
I'm cool with 95% of it and will begin incorporating it immediately into
today's 02 draft.
 
A few points:
 
* I agree with DaveM that Security and Data Protection Considerations is
well worthy of inclusion as a separate section, because we absolutely do
have some important considerations in this respect, and some relate to
syntax alone, not just resolution (2396bis had a lot to add in this area
over 2396). I propose we make this Section 4 in the 02 draft. 
 
* I like the idea of Syntax being one section, and I also like the idea
of starting it with Syntax Components. Since there is more to Characters
that your outline suggests (I'm ½ through that section now), I'll make
it the second subsection of Syntax so it has its own group of 3rd level
subheads.
 
* On References, the OASIS standard template is very clear that this
should be a standard section and not an appendix. (the template is quite
detailed in this respect). So I'm loath to change it unless we've got a
really good reason. 
 
* On the "naked examples", I was just following 2396bis. I don't know
how to can make these easier to understand without going into a bunch of
exposition which isn't appropriate in a short intro section (I'm
figuring all that will be in the Primer). What did you have in mind?
 
=Drummond 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McAlpin [mailto:dave.mcalpin@epokinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:54 PM
To: 'Wachob, Gabe'; Drummond Reed; xri-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xri-editors] Groups - wd-xri-specification-01.doc uploaded
 
I think security and privacy should be called out as a separate section.
It's required in any RFC and good practice elsewhere, even if it's just
to say that no security considerations exists. At the very minimum we
need to think about how security considerations in XRIs relate to
section 7 of 2396.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wachob, Gabe [mailto:gwachob@visa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:12 PM
To: 'Drummond Reed'; xri-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xri-editors] Groups - wd-xri-specification-01.doc uploaded
 
Drummond-
        We have some feedback:
[All references in this list are to the numbering in the document you
sent out]
1) We'd want to reorg this into a 3 part document: Introduction, Syntax,
and Resolution (which includes security issues related to resolution).
We don't think there is a security section for syntax-related issues. 
 
2) Sections 2.1 and 2.2 should after section 3 (syntax components) in
the Syntax part. While this breaks the parallelism to RFC 2396, we think
its more natural reading. 
 
3) Section 2.3 should become its own section (in the Syntax part),
before the section on Normalization and Comparison
 
4) Relative XRIs - we still have substantive questions about this - RFC
2396 only talks about syntactic relativity - is that what we are talking
about here? Also how is a relative XRI (in the rfc 2396 sense)
disambiguated syntactically from the relative forms in the sense that we
mean "relative" for XRIs.
 
5) Under Normalization and Comparison, there is no discussion of
Normalization. But, we think there probably DOES need to be a discsion
of normalization before talkin about equivalence and comparison (at the
very least to address normalization of I18N XRIs)
 
6) Section 5.2 - "Indirect equivalence". We think that once you get
beyond syntactic definitions of equivalence, you open up a whole
pandora's box of issues and that one could argue any equivalence is
applicaiton -specific (and that you start needing to define equivalence
in different ways). This doesn't seem appropriate for this document.
Maybe a sentence or two suggesting that there are other ways of
describing equivalence (e.g. two XRIs resolve to the same "persistent"
XRI), but this shouldn't be normative in this document, and I think
getting it precise enough is going to turn out to be a rat hole of
effort (at least in the general case). 
 
7) In the security section, we think that everything mentioned here
(except for security w/r/t resolution ) sounds non-normative and
shouldn't be part of the specification. Perhaps in the non-normative
document..
 
8) Why is section 4.2 named the same as section 4?
 
9) For sections 4.1 (Relative URIs) and section 5.1 (URI Equivalence),
these don't seem like they should be separate sections, but maybe just
introductory text, since they aren't defintional. 
 
10) What 5.3.1 and 5.3.2 - what is special about resolvability in the
case of cross reference that needs to be called out in the equivalence
section? 
 
11) We'd put references as appendix A instead of section 8.
 
12) The examples on page 1 can't be so "naked" and need more explanation
(just amplifying this again ;-)
 
So, here is our proposed outline:
 
1. Introduction
everything from old section 1 here
 
2. Syntax
2.1 Syntax Components 
2.1.1 Scheme 
2.1.2 Authority
2.1.3 Path
2.1.4 Query
2.1.5 Fragment
2.2  Character Encoding
2.3 Escaping
2.4 Relative XRIs
2.4.1 Relative XRIs
2.4.2 Usage of Relative XRIs
2.5 Internationalization
2.6 Normalization and Comparison
2.6.1 Normalization
2.6.2 XRI Equivalence 
2.6.2.1 Cross-Reference Equivalence
3. Resolution
this section is probably going to get changed completely, so no comment
now
3.x Security Considerations
Appendix A. Normative References
Appendix B. Informative References
Appendix C. Collected ABNF for XRI
Appendix D. Acknowledgements
Appendix E. Revision History
Appendix F. Notices
 
 
    -Mike and Gabe


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drummond Reed [  <mailto:drummond.reed@onename.com>
mailto:drummond.reed@onename.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:34 PM
> To: xri-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [xri-editors] Groups -
> wd-xri-specification-01.doc uploaded
>
>
> Guys,
>
> We're rolling! The posted doc is the first draft of the real
> thing from
> DaveM and I based on the outline we discussed last week. It's
> been moved
> into the official OASIS template; all proposed section headings have
> been added to the outline; and Section 1 has been filled in completely
> with a first draft.
>
> I'm going to be cranking all day tomorrow on sections 2 and 3 with the
> goal of having a first draft of both (or close) by COB tomorrow. I'll
> post whatever I have by that point.
>
> The goal in posting this tonight was to give all editors a
> look at what
> it looks like and start to get initial feedback about the structure,
> tone, and general style. Please do post any general or
> specific comments
> and/or propose issues to be discussed on Thursday's call.
>
> Gabe, Peter: the Resolution section is just a SWAG at what heading
> you're going to want there, so that section can be replaced wholesale
> with the way you plan to organize it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> =Drummond
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:19 PM
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> Subject: [xri-editors] Groups - wd-xri-specification-01.doc uploaded
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