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Subject: RE: [xri] RE: Single delegation character


fwiw - I prefer @idcommons/fen to either bang or splat.  It's
familiar with the stuff I see every day on the browser line.

Not as good as fen@idcommons, but better than bang or splat.

=Loren

-----Original Message-----
From: Loren West [mailto:loren.west@epok.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:29 PM
To: 'Dave McAlpin'; 'Fen Labalme'
Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xri] RE: Single delegation character


Most users would prefer fen@idcommons over either @idcommons*fen
or @idcommons!fen.  It "speaks" better, which means they'll
remember it (and like it) better.

That may not be an option for us, but we are re-visiting
the spec, so all options should be re-considered.

Fen - while you're at it, you should try asking if they prefer
@idcommons/fen to either of the above.  That works regardless
of the change to the spec (if any).

I prefer bang over splat, and admit to printing a "bang name"
on my business card in the past.

=Loren


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McAlpin [mailto:Dave.McAlpin@epok.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:04 PM
To: Fen Labalme
Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [xri] RE: Single delegation character


I didn't mean to jump to a conclusion about bang versus star. Aside from
your original proposal, I haven't seen any formally expressed interest
in star. If there are others who prefer it we should hear from them. At
this point, I think, Mike Lindelsee, Peter Davis, Gabe Wachob and I have
all expressed a preference for bang. Since it was clearly the leading
contender, it seemed reasonable to use that when constructing examples.

Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:50 PM
> To: Dave McAlpin
> Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: Single delegation character
> 
> Wait a minute - how does '!' have the most support?  I believe there's
> four of us (Drummond, Victor, Owen and myself at the least) who prefer
> '*' -- not to mention that there is code now using '*'.
> 
> But we really have to consider the public and not just programmers, as
> programmer could care less, or lean towards '!' (I kinda like the old
> bang addressing model myself).  But it's *users* who's community
e-names
> will be either @idcommons!fen or @idcommons*fen, and from my (albeit
> informal) user surveys, they overwhelmingly prefer the latter.
> 
> We'll do another survey this weekend - I'll be comfortable with the
> results either way.
> 
> Fen
> 
> 
> Dave McAlpin wrote:
> > Since ! seems to have the most current support, I'll use it as a
> > stand-in for the dot replacement. Parsing XRIs is difficult because
of
> > cross-references. The added complexity of two second level
delimiters
> > instead of one is miniscule. I generally understand the argument
that
> > since there's a single first level delimiter, there's some goodness
in
> > the parallelism of a single second level delimiter, but it doesn't
seem
> > strong enough to be the deciding factor. As for readability, do you
> > really prefer xri:@:1!:2!:3 over xri:@:1:2:3?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org]
> >>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:35 AM
> >>To: Dave McAlpin
> >>Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>Subject: Re: [xri] Possible changes to XRI 1.0
> >>
> >>Thank you, Dave, for an excellent summary of proposed changes.  One
> >>omission is the proposal to define '*' as the sole delegation
> >
> > character.
> >
> >>  This would make parsers easier to write, XRIs easier to read, and
> >>plays nicely against the single hierarchy character '/'.  But I'll
> >
> > leave
> >
> >>further discussion of this point to Drummond.
> >
> >
> >

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