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Subject: RE: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!


Phil,

 

Thanks much – your article (and the IIW sessions) has already triggered a bunch of new documentation activity for XRI and i-names. Thanks for helping give us the push!

 

=Drummond

 


From: Phil Windley [mailto:windley.pop@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Phillip J. Windley
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:09 AM
To: Drummond Reed
Cc: 'Paul Trevithick'; 'Schleiff, Marty'; 'Chasen, Les'; 'Gabe Wachob'; xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

 

FWIW, I've added an update to the original article and referenced Drummond's piece for the i-name, i-number explanation. 

 

--phil--



Phil Windley

www.windley.com



 

On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:04, Drummond Reed wrote:



Gang, I’m late to this thread (as usual these days), but when I did catch up on it it triggered one of my lengthier blog posts in quite a while – partly because Phil’s article is so good, and partly because I had so much from IIW to catch up about.

 

            http://www.equalsdrummond.name/?p=88

 

With regards to XRIs and persistence, it explains in hopefully the right amount of depth the difference between an i-name and an i-number. Phil, I’d love to get your feedback on whether that explanation helps. (This is the kind of info that we need in-depth in public documentation on XRI and XRI applications like i-names.)

 

It also reinforces Gabes wonderful post about the Thrill of the Hack (http://blog.wachob.com/2006/12/the_thrill_of_t.html), and goes on to state what I believe are the highest priorities for the XRI community right now.

 

Comments gladly accepted (but not directly on the blog due to blog spam – I need to install the Wordpress OpenID plugin). Just send them here to me directly & I’ll post them.

 

=Drummond

 


From: Paul Trevithick [mailto:paul@socialphysics.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:14 PM
To: 'Schleiff, Marty'; 'Chasen, Les'; 'Gabe Wachob'; xri@lists.oasis-open.org; phil@windley.org
Subject: RE: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

 

 


From: Schleiff, Marty [mailto:marty.schleiff@boeing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:25 PM
To: Chasen, Les; Gabe Wachob; xri@lists.oasis-open.org; phil@windley.org
Subject: RE: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

 

[Marty]And, if I sell my iname to someone, and give them the password, how would 2IDI ever even know that event has happened?

[Chasen, Les] If you turn over your identity, which includes your iname and inumber, to someone else then they are really masquerading as you.  Of course that is not controllable by anybody.   If you release *just* your iname which is the appropriate way to give someone else your iname, assuming you do not want to give up your identity, they get their own inumber.  This is why all IDPs MUST use your inumber as your trusted identifier.

[Marty] I think if I sell/give "control" of "=marty" and the underlying inumber and the password to someone else (for purposes of discussion, let's say Marty McFly), then I've sold them an identifier, control of certain attributes associated with that identifier, and any reputation that has been built up around that identifier (at least until the new owner's actions cause the reputation to change). While I agree that sounds like aspects of my identity, I'm not sure it's really my identity. When Marty McFly then starts buying stuff using =marty (and the underlying inumber), will I somehow remain liable to pay? I'm assuming that there's ways to associate AND disassociate information from the inumber (like changing the owner's name, address, credit card number), so if I properly disassociate my data from the iname/inumber before giving it to Marty McFly, then I don't see how I could later be responsible for McFly's actions.

Further, i-names are not reassignable (unlike domain names), so when you contact the person at =windley, you know it's me, not just the next guy to pick up the name when I let it expire." I think is not correct.

[Chasen, Les] This is not 100% accurate.  I-names are re-assignable i-numbers are not.

 

And, if I sell my iname to someone, and give them the password, how would 2IDI ever even know that event has happened?

[Chasen, Les] If you turn over your identity, which includes your iname and inumber, to someone else then they are really masquerading as you.  Of course that is not controllable by anybody.   If you release *just* your iname which is the appropriate way to give someone else your iname, assuming you do not want to give up your identity, they get their own inumber.  This is why all IDPs MUST use your inumber as your trusted identifier.

 

Marty.Schleiff@boeing.com; CISSP
Associate Technical Fellow - Cyber Identity Specialist
Computing Security Infrastructure
(206) 679-5933

 

 


From: Chasen, Les [mailto:les.chasen@neustar.biz]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:52 AM
To: Schleiff, Marty; Gabe Wachob; xri@lists.oasis-open.org; phil@windley.org
Subject: RE: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

Your password will not work for the new person.  The reason is that you can sell your name but you cannot sell your inumber.  The inumber is persistent and will *never* be reassigned to another person.

 

 


From: Schleiff, Marty [mailto:marty.schleiff@boeing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:49 AM
To: Gabe Wachob; xri@lists.oasis-open.org; phil@windley.org
Subject: RE: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

 

I never considered my i-name to be permanent. Is Phil correct about that? What if I just sell my i-name to someone else and tell them the password?

Marty.Schleiff@boeing.com; CISSP
Associate Technical Fellow - Cyber Identity Specialist
Computing Security Infrastructure
(206) 679-5933

 

 


From: Gabe Wachob [mailto:gabe.wachob@amsoft.net]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:00 PM
To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org; phil@windley.org
Subject: [xri] Our Best Friend Phil Windley!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4165

 

This is the best endorsement of INames and XRI we’ve had in a while.

 

I’m even more appreciative of the public comments from Phil given the fact that he was one of the folks in the IIW “Creative Uses of INames” that was raising issues about how hard it was to experiment and play with INames as an end user or developer. This in turn prompted me to write my a blog entry about “The Thrill of the Hack”:  http://blog.wachob.com/2006/12/the_thrill_of_t.html in which I take a self-critical view of the developer-community outreach by the INames (and XRI) community.

 

So again, thanks Phil for keeping the XRI torch burning while also keeping our feet to the fire!!!

 

            -Gabe

 

 



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