Minutes: XRI TC Telecon 8-9AM PT Thursday 2008-06-19

["Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@cordance.net>]

Following are the minutes of the unofficial telecon of the XRI TC at:

Date:  Thursday, 19 June 2008 USA
Time:  8:00AM - 9:00PM Pacific Time

ATTENDING

Peter Davis 
Gabe Wachob 
Marty Schleiff
Nat Sakimura
John Bradley
Drummond Reed
Nika Jones
Markus Sabadello


AGENDA

1) THANK YOU TO GABE AND WELCOME TO PETER AS NEW CO-CHAIR

The TC gave a round a deep thanks to Gabe for his five years of service as
co-chair, and a warm welcome to Peter for stepping into thos shoes. (Post
meeting update: the ballot officially closed at 7PM ET Thursday.)


2) UPDATE ON COMMUNICATIONS RE THE XRI VOTE

The OASIS News carried a short article on the results of the vote and
Drummond & Gabe sent a thank you to all voters. Several voters wrote back to
thank us in turn and encourage the dialog with the W3C TAG.


3) WIKIPEDIA PAGE ON XRI

Jamie Clark was not able to join us on updating the licensing statements on
the XRI page on Wikipedia, however Drummond talked with him later in the day
and he is working on this issue and will report next steps to the TC soon.

	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRI 
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Extensible_Resource_Identifier


4) COMMUNICATIONS WITH W3C TAG

Stuart Williams, TAG co-chair, sent a message to Drummond and Gabe proposing
next steps. Peter and Drummond sent an initial response.

The TAG's message suggested the first four goals below, which we confirmed
and added a fifth since this issue has been raised in TAG minutes and also
on the Wikipedia page referenced above. 

	a) Understand the differences between the final XRI 2.0 specs and
the TAG's review in 2005.
	b) To develop a shared understanding of the motivating use cases
that XRIs are designed to address.
	c) To develop a shared understanding of the adequacy/inadequacy of
existing URI schemes to address those needs.
	d) To put on the public record points of mutual agreement or
disagreement, particularly those that either party believes to be
unresolvable.
	e) Address the licensing concerns regarding XRI.

Stuart's message suggested and Peter's reply concurred that perhaps
subgroups might want to form within both groups to pursue this discussion.
Marty volunteered for to be part of this subgroup. He has been working on
use cases to contribute to this conversation but needs permission to
contribute these. Gabe also volunteered contingent on his availability.
(Update: Les Chasen was not available to attend the call but also
volunteered to be part of this subgroup.)

There was also a proposal that one person from the XRI TC and the W3C TAG to
co-chair these telecons. Drummond nominated Peter for this role.

We discussed the scheduling for the first telecon. Due to schedules the week
of July 7 is probably the first good week. 

# PETER will follow through with Stuart Williams to suggest this scheduling.

In terms of preparation, we agreed that the following items should ideally
be ready for the first telecon:

	a) A summary of changes to XRI 2.0 since the TAGs review in 2005.
	b) Motivating use cases.
	c) Documentation of licensing and IPR.

Work has already begun on these; no specific action items were assigned yet
but will be by the next call.


5) NON-NORMATIVE DELIVERABLE RE ESSENTIAL DIFFERENCES OF XRI

A key component of discussions with the W3C TAG will be the essential
differences of XRI with respect to: a) http(s) URIs, b) URNs, and c) other
URI schemes. Some OASIS voters also suggested the TC publish a non-normative
document on this subject in our next round of specs.

Peter agreed that we need such a document, as does Drummond. 

On question of new deliverable, John Bradley pointed out that there have
also been suggestions that we break out XRDS as a separate spec. This would
help support profiles of XRDS such as XRDS Simple. 

	http://xrds-simple.net/core/1.0/ 

Marty pointed out that the SAML specs distinguished between the token
(schema) format and the protocols and defined these in separate specs. This
helped with the adoption of SAML. Drummond also agreed that modularization
is a good thing.

John brought up the question about whether section 6, URL-based XRDS
resolution, should be in a separate document too. This was less clear -- we
need to examine this.


6) CALL SCHEDULE

Peter will not be able to attend the next two telecons. Since Drummond will
be at Burton Catalyst next week, we will skip next week's telecon and hold
our next telecon in two weeks, Thursday July 3.

# DRUMMOND to remind Les Chasen at NeuStar to adjust the telecon conference
time. (DONE - and thank you to NeuStar for hosting our calls.)