Re: [xri] Minutes: XRI TC Telecon 2-3PM PT Thursday 2009-11-19

[John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com>]

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Yes that was more or less what we started to discuss.

We should start work on the trust profile for host meta.

John B.
On 2009-11-19, at 8:30 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:

> Apologies for missing this meeting. I had intended to come but the
> meeting mysteriously dropped from my calendar, so I didn't get
> reminded in time.
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> I had an interest in talking about trust framework for host-meta.
> Having heard the above arguments summarized, I think it might be
> appropriate for XRI TC to define one that the host-meta spec may
> allude to.
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> Host-meta security is an excellent test-case for defining a trust
> profile. Since it is information about a host, it matches the purposes
> that X.509/CA-based PKI was designed to solve. We should be able to
> create a trust profile for 'hosts' that avoid the more open-ended
> questions about how to provide trust for resources, at the same time
> avoiding questions about CA- versus self-signed certificates,
> alternative trust frameworks to PKI, etc. Not that I don't find such
> issues interesting, only that we have enough heavy-lifting in creating
> a trust profile even with a playbook to follow.
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> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Will Norris <will@willnorris.com> =
wrote:
>> Following are the minutes of the unofficial telecon of the XRI TC at:
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>> Date:  Thursday, 19 November 2009 USA
>> Time:  2:00PM - 3:00PM Pacific Time (21:00-22:00 UTC)
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>> ATTENDING
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>> Eran Hammer-Lahav
>> John Bradley
>> Will Norris
>> Nika Jones
>> George Fletcher
>> Scott Cantor
>> RL "Bob" Morgan
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>> 1) DISCUSS REVISIONS TO XRD COMMITTEE DRAFT 01 REVISION 01
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>> Eran was okay with Will making the changes proposed to the list:
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>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xri/200911/msg00055.html
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>> There was discussion as to whether clarification relating to the =
optionality of the <Subject> element should be a separate paragraph at =
the beginning, or a simple line in the <Subject> section.  Will noted =
that it seems that only a minority of people continue to be hung-up on =
<Subject> after it is explained to them, so the simple one-line addition =
to the <Subject> section should be sufficient.
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>> Eran is currently waiting on a draft with this new schema to be =
published so that he can reference it from a new Host Meta draft.  Will =
is going to make the changes a tag WD10 this week.
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>> 2) TRUST PROFILES
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>> Eran noted that he is also getting a bit of pressure to provide a =
trust profile for use with Host Meta.  If need be, he plans to simply =
include a basic profile as part of the Host Meta spec itself.  He has no =
problem doing the editorial work, but asked for some assistance with =
outlining the basic flow.
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>> It was discussed whether it made sense to have a separate trust =
profile for Host Meta, or if the ones written for generic signed XRD =
documents could be written in such a way as to cover the Host Meta use =
case as well.  Additionally, there was a question of where that work =
should be done... should it be a product of the TC, or do we leave it to =
be defined elsewhere?
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>> Scott noted that if the trust profile was specific to a particular =
use of XRD, then it should probably come from whatever body it is that =
is defining that use-case.  However, if it is relatively generic and =
useful across different uses of XRD, it makes sense to have it come from =
the TC.
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>> John noted that it would very likely be the same libraries that are =
validating Host Meta documents as are validating generic XRD documents, =
so have consistency between them would be a good thing.
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>> 3) PROPERTY ELEMENT
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>> George wondered whether we were leaving things a little too open with =
the generic key-value <Property> element.  Is it going to become a =
catch-all for people shoving all sorts of data into an XRD that perhaps =
shouldn't be, making the element so generic that it becomes less useful. =
 Will shared the concern, but the discussion didn't go much further than =
that.
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>> 4) XRD COMMENTS
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>> Scott recommended that we get a head start on putting together the =
official response to feedback received during the public review.  =
Getting this taken care of now will help expedite getting to the next TC =
vote when the review closes.
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>> 5) NEXT CALL
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>> Next week is Thanksgiving in the US, so the next scheduled call will =
be December 3rd, 2009.
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