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Subject: [xri] FW: New Version Notification - draft-hammer-hostmeta-09.txt
--Apple-Mail-93-65979754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +1 to the change. I think especially with JRD it is unclear how a signature relates to = <Host> especially given that Magic signatures use raw keys as opposed to = X509 certificates. In many ways magic signature a good thing however it doesn't solve the = trust bootstrap problem, and adds complexity requiring the unpacking of = a base64 encoded file. I think the trust model for host-meta needs more thought. John B. On 2010-05-24, at 2:11 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: > The <Host> element as currently specified adds no value to any of the = use cases host-meta is intended for. The only reason why it was = originally added was to support signatures. At this point it is far from = clear how it will actually be used, how to address multiple hosts, and = what impact will a JSON serialization will have on signatures = (especially when considering "magic signatures"). >=20 > It is a part of the spec no one really cares much about, and removing = it doesn't prevent anyone from specifying it elsewhere, where it is = actually used. >=20 > As for last stage, I'm not done with the document and planning on = making significant changes to LRDD and integrating them into the same = spec. This is based on feedback received over the last couple of weeks. >=20 > Host-meta didn't even reach IETF last call yet. >=20 > EHL >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Breno de Medeiros [mailto:breno@google.com] >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 AM >> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav >> Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org; webfinger@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [xri] FW: New Version Notification - = draft-hammer-hostmeta- >> 09.txt >>=20 >> -1 to this change. >>=20 >> Can you explain why the simplification is worth the cost of making a = last- >> minute change and sowing uncertainty at this last stage? >>=20 >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:49, Eran Hammer-Lahav >> <eran@hueniverse.com> wrote: >>> They can do whatever they want, as long as it is valid according to = the XRD >> schema. Host-meta leaves <Subject> and <Alias> undefined and not >> recommended. >>>=20 >>> EHL >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Breno de Medeiros [mailto:breno@google.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:21 AM >>>> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav >>>> Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org; webfinger@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: [xri] FW: New Version Notification - >>>> draft-hammer-hostmeta- 09.txt >>>>=20 >>>> I suspect people will want to write a <Subject> instead of = <hm:Host> >>>> now that it's gone. :) >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 00:52, Eran Hammer-Lahav >>>> <eran@hueniverse.com> wrote: >>>>> After much (re)deliberation and discussions, I've decided to drop >>>>> the >>>> <Host> element from host-meta. The two reasons why it was there = were: >>>>>=20 >>>>> 1. make host-meta self-contained so it can be obtained via other >>>>> means than /.well-known/host-meta 2. provide a subject for >>>>> signatures >>>>>=20 >>>>> Since there are no use cases for #1, and #2 has failed to >>>>> materialize after >>>> more than a year of discussions (still no signature profile >>>> published), I have decided that for the sake of simplicity and >>>> practicality to remove the element. host-meta doesn't address >>>> security and it should not provide a hook for future security >>>> profiles - that's their job. Those who find a need for expressing = the >>>> subject of a host-meta XRD (or JRD) can add it back in their own = spec (or >> make up something else). >>>>>=20 >>>>> -09 dropped the element. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Note that there is going to be a -10 coming out shortly which >>>>> merges LRDD >>>> back into host-meta, dropping links from HTTP headers and HTML = bodies >>>> (which don't have any driving use cases). >>>>>=20 >>>>> EHL >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Internet-Draft@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Draft@ietf.org] >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:45 AM >>>>> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; draft-hammer-hostmeta@tools.ietf.org; >>>>> stpeter@stpeter.im >>>>> Subject: New Version Notification - draft-hammer-hostmeta-09.txt >>>>>=20 >>>>> New version (-09) has been submitted for draft-hammer-hostmeta- >> 09.txt. >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hammer-hostmeta-09.txt >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Diff from previous version: >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-hammer-hostmeta-09 >>>>>=20 >>>>> IETF Secretariat. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> --Breno >>>>=20 >>>> +1 (650) 214-1007 desk >>>> +1 (408) 212-0135 (Grand Central) >>>> MTV-41-3 : 383-A >>>> PST (GMT-8) / PDT(GMT-7) >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> --Breno >>=20 >> +1 (650) 214-1007 desk >> +1 (408) 212-0135 (Grand Central) >> MTV-41-3 : 383-A >> PST (GMT-8) / PDT(GMT-7) --Apple-Mail-93-65979754 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIO9TCCBwsw ggXzoAMCAQICAgZDMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIGMMQswCQYDVQQGEwJJTDEWMBQGA1UEChMNU3Rh cnRDb20gTHRkLjErMCkGA1UECxMiU2VjdXJlIERpZ2l0YWwgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2lnbmluZzE4 MDYGA1UEAxMvU3RhcnRDb20gQ2xhc3MgMiBQcmltYXJ5IEludGVybWVkaWF0ZSBDbGllbnQgQ0Ew HhcNMTAwMzE3MTM0NDQ1WhcNMTIwMzE4MTE1NTExWjCBzTEgMB4GA1UEDRMXMTY1NTU1LTJHU3FU 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