RE: [asap] from the OMA TP meeting in London, UK

["Michael Shenfield" <mshenfield@rim.net>]

I don't suggest "overbundling". I just suggest to straighten up the overlaps so ASAP definitions are in sync with already existing specifications. And I agree with you that ASAP is quite valuable, otherwise I wouldn't be spending my time on all these messages :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Sodhi, Gavenraj S [mailto:Gavenraj.Sodhi@ca.com]
Sent: November 11, 2003 3:31 PM
To: Michael Shenfield; Jeffrey Ricker
Cc: ASAP
Subject: RE: [asap] from the OMA TP meeting in London, UK


Michael,

ASAP, in the method we are specifying is very complementary to SPML
(Service Provisioning Markup Language) and in turn when we are using
other technologies like SAML and WS-S.  ASAP would enable me to have
continuous response from web services requests (for Provisioning via
SPML) of objects across domains involved in complex requests that
involve approvals, workflow, and may have latency.

I may not be interested to the other facets of overbundling of
technologies as other initiatives may offer.  ASAP is quite valuable.

My $0.02

Cheers,

-Raj


Gavenraj Sodhi, MBA
Computer Associates
Product Manager, eTrust
Mobile:  +1 949 350 8808
gavenraj.sodhi@ca.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Shenfield [mailto:mshenfield@rim.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:26 PM
To: Sodhi, Gavenraj S; Jeffrey Ricker
Cc: ASAP
Subject: RE: [asap] from the OMA TP meeting in London, UK

Sodhi,
As these three committees are dealing with "high level" specs they make
certain assumptions on behavior and definitions of async web services.
For example WSBPEL spec defines how to process correlation, deals with
cases of multiple correlation, correlation violations, etc. Unless we
review prior specs we are running a danger of overlap/conflict. 
The effort certainly depends on availability and time commitment of the
group.
Cheers,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Sodhi, Gavenraj S [mailto:Gavenraj.Sodhi@ca.com]
Sent: November 11, 2003 3:06 PM
To: Michael Shenfield; Jeffrey Ricker
Cc: ASAP
Subject: RE: [asap] from the OMA TP meeting in London, UK


Can you elaborate on the work WSRM, CAF, and WSBPEL are doing that may
send ASAP in a crash course with them?  This would allow us to go
through and discuss and debate the areas we may be complementary.  For
myself, I probably could not make the F2F in December because of
personal obligations but it would provide me tools to take back to CA to
better understand if we may be able to reuse efforts from other
initiatives, if they are duplicative.

Cheers,

Raj

Gavenraj Sodhi, MBA
Computer Associates
Product Manager, eTrust
Mobile:  +1 949 350 8808
gavenraj.sodhi@ca.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Shenfield [mailto:mshenfield@rim.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:48 AM
To: Jeffrey Ricker
Cc: ASAP
Subject: [asap] from the OMA TP meeting in London, UK

or rather from the pub at Hilton Metropole where the OMA (Open Mobile
Alliance) TP is going on :)

This week I am attending OMA TP meetings in UK and went for drinks and
chat with MWS people from Microsoft and IBM. When discussing async web
services I mentioned OASIS ASAP and asked why they ignore it. They
replied that both companies are concerned that there are already 3 OASIS
groups that refer to async services in the specs (WSRM, CAF, WSBPEL) and
as their specs are close to completion they're afraid that ASAP will
either reinvent the wheel or go in the opposite direction.

I think it is a very good point and we should first carefully analyze
all AWS related references in other OASIS specs before issuing working
draft or defining scope, etc. Typically this is done through liaison
reports or F2F meetings for review and discussion. Unless we go through
this exercise, I don't think we can count on wide adoption of ASAP given
the small size of the group and lack of participation from industry
heavyweights. I propose to have a F2F meeting (2 days) on the second
week of December and resolve the major issues. I can host the meeting in
my Toronto office but would prefer iWay to host it in NYC so I'll have a
chance to meet my former IBI/iWay peers :)
Cheers,

Mike 

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