I must say that I am bewildered now…
We all would agree that there is a place for both WS-* and REST to
benefit telecom services. That being said, this Telecom Member Section started
as “Profiling/Extending WS for Telecom”. “Web 2.0”
addition was inserted in the last month or two and has never been really discussed
by the group – at least neither on the mailing lists nor it has been captured
in the f2f minutes.
There are other initiatives that work directly on Web 2.0 for
Telecom. Take a look at http://www.omtp.org/Bondi/
. As far as I know, this group submitted its work to either OASIS or 3WC
already… Do you know more details about that? Do we REALLY want to extend
our scope to address REST too?
Orit.
From: Anthony Nadalin
[mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:12 PM
To: lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com
Cc: Abbie Barbir; asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico;
Giordano,Michael (Michael); HANANE BECHA; Bilel Jamoussi; John Phillips; Joao
Girao; Marco Carugi; Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit
Levin; Paul Knight; Pierre Tane; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes;
John Storrie; UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
I like that !
Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
lucia.gradinariu---10/13/2008 01:54:01 PM---There are
many reasons why Web 2.0 can not be lumped under SOA. I suggest we either stick
with SOA or append "and other Informa
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There are many reasons why Web 2.0 can not be lumped under SOA. I suggest we
either stick with SOA or append "and other Information Technologies"
, like:
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and other Information Technologies Can
Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements"
Lucia
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: Anthony Nadalin <drsecure@us.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, October 13, 2008 12:05 pm
To: lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com
Cc: "Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>,
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, "Ronco Enrico"
<enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael (Michael)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, "HANANE BECHA" <hanane.becha@nortel.com>,
"Bilel Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "John
Phillips"
<jap@nortel.com>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>,
"Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael
Ralf
(Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>,
"Sabbouh,Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>,
"Paul Knight"
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>,
"Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Stephane H Maes"
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "John Storrie"
<storrie@nortel.com>,
"UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>
But lets put that in the
perspective of SOA, as there is nothing preventing folks from using REST based
protocols for SOA, just like there is nothing preventing folks from using Web
Services. So I would think that we should remove Web 2.0 and focus on the gaps
of SOA for telecom and if the Web 2.0 issues come up then great but to limit
this to REST and not include Web Services is a mistake (thus just not include
either in the name)
Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
lucia.gradinariu---10/13/2008
12:03:27 PM---Some non-marketing interest in Web 2.0:
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Some non-marketing interest in Web 2.0:
As feedback from architects in Tier1s SDP projects, they are concerned with
using WS in cases such as exposing services across Service Providers domains
due to high cost of development and testing, they prefer no coding/QA if
possible. Alternative proposals are simpler plain Html/Java script or Web 2.0
interfaces and they work on embeding problem management and other operational
aspects into that.
Lucia
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: Stephane H Maes <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, October 13, 2008 8:13 am
To: Anthony Nadalin <drsecure@us.ibm.com>, Abbie Barbir
<abbieb@nortel.com>
Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, Ronco Enrico
<enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael (Michael)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, HANANE BECHA <hanane.becha@nortel.com>,
Bilel Jamoussi <jamoussi@nortel.com>, John Phillips
<jap@nortel.com>,
Joao Girao <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>,
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com, Marco Carugi
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>,
Orit Levin <oritl@microsoft.com>, Paul Knight
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, Pierre Tane <ptane@nortel.com>,
"Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, Amardeo Sarma
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>,
John Storrie <storrie@nortel.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>
Agree I did not want to get stuck on that but why is web 2.0 called out is
unclear too other than for "marketing" reasons...
Stephane
_____
Stephane H. Maes, PhD,
Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype) or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or
stephane.maes@gmail.com (Google)
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:49 AM
To: Abbie Barbir
Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael
(Michael); HANANE BECHA; Bilel Jamoussi; John Phillips; Joao Girao;
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Marco Carugi; Brenner,Michael Ralf
(Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Paul Knight; Pierre Tane; Natale,Bob;
Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; John Storrie; UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
Why Web 2.0 ? REST and Web Service can both play a role in SOA, so I would
leave it at SOA and not add Web 2.0
Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
"Abbie
Barbir" ---10/11/2008 06:17:13 PM---Stephane
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Stephane
Many thanks
So the current running name is (slight modification change To to Can):
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Can Fulfill
Telecommunications Requirements"
So let us try some acronyms here:
1. IGST
2. GIST
3. GSAT
Any other suggestions??
Regards
Abbie
From:
Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:34 PM
To: lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14)
Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin;
Giordano,Michael (Michael); Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa
(Musa); Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco
(CTF:33508); Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi,
Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao;
Sabbouh,Marwan; Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org;
Ronco Enrico
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
My problem in general is if the title seems to imply a major restriction on the
scope that we do not have. So a title like "exploring the use of telecom
service in applications" *limits the scope to exposure of Telecom
capabilities in applications* (in addition to being questionable (service and
application are at the same level it should rather have been function ,
capabilities, enablers that we use instead of services...). There are many other
uses / aspects of SOA in Telco that we should consider.
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill Requirements
of Applications Entailing Telecom Services" ha the same restriction. Call
it "Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies to Fulfill
Telecommunications Requirements" would work better (because it does not
limit to the scope to the usage of SOA in exposure to applications, which
really is just 3rd party exposure or VAS exposure in Telco).
Same comment to the shorter version. The " Applications Entailing Telecom
Services" qualification is not OK.
Thanks
Stephane
_____
Stephane H. Maes, PhD,
Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype) or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or
stephane.maes@gmail.com (Google)
From:
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com [mailto:lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:46 AM
To: Abbie Barbir
Cc: John Storrie; Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,Michael
(Michael); Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa); Paul Knight;
HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John Phillips; John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit
Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh,Marwan; Stephane H Maes;
Pierre Tane; asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
The current title is not bad as one needs to start by analyzing the use before
identifying the how and the gaps in what's available.
Nevertheless, the title should reflect the objective not how the group will
reach it. And the objective as I understand it is:
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill Requirements
of Applications Entailing Telecom Services"
or shorter forms (suggestions):
"Technology Gaps in Supporting Applications Entailing Telecom Services
(TG-SATS)"
"Expanding New Technologies to Applications Entailing Telecom Services
(ETATS)"
hope one of these can work
Lucia
Lucia Gradinariu, Principal
LGG Solutions, LLC
mobile: +1.719.964.1446
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: "Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>
Date: Fri, October 10, 2008 2:04 am
To: "Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"Ronco
Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>
Cc: "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo
Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Anthony Nadalin"
<drsecure@us.ibm.com>,
"Giordano, Michael (Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>,
"Brenner, Michael
Ralf (Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA, Musa
(Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul Knight"
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA"
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>,
"Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John
Phillips"
<jap@nortel.com>, "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>,
"Bilel
Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin"
<oritl@microsoft.com>,
<lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>, "Natale, Bob"
<RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>,
"Joao
Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Sabbouh, Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>
Hi
Please suggest a name for the TC that we can agree on.
cheers
abbie
From:
Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:15 PM
To: Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14);
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,
Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa);
Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508);
Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel
(BL60:1A00); Orit Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Natale, Bob;
Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
Is this title supposed to replace the SOA gaps?
I think that we lost completely with the title the fact that the goal is to
collect requirements and issues with SOA (if any) for telecom and find ways to
address. the title is not OK. We should revert to previous title or find a new
one...
Few more comments / suggestions to the draft in the doc.
Thanks
Stephane
_____
Stephane H. Maes, PhD,
Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype) or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or
stephane.maes@gmail.com (Google)
From:
Pierre Tane [mailto:ptane@nortel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:23 AM
To: Abbie Barbir; asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: John Storrie; Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael
(Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Paul Knight;
HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John Phillips; John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit
Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo
Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
(Resent to you separately, Stephane, given your mail server blocks zip files. A
similar mail went to the ASOAT mailing list.)
Hello all,
I've enclosed a modified version to correct a few remainign typos and to
propose a short sentence to address the editor's note that resulted from the
comment i had made on the previous version. Let me know how i fared.
Kind regards,
Pierre
From:
Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14)
Sent: jeudi 9 octobre 2008 13:17
To: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,
Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa);
Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12);
Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John
(MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit Levin;
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo Sarma;
Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan
Subject: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
All,
Attached are two files.
The clean file reflects my attempt in incorporating all the comments that has
been recived so far on the charter.
The second file is to be used as a reference by the readers to see if I have
addressed the comments correctly.
As such, time is really important now.
Please review the clean version and let us see if we have agreement on the
text. Once that is done hopefully ASAP, I will setup a call next week to ensure
that we are all on agreement on the charter.
Before I can send the send the charter to OASIS I will need the list of
co-proposers of this TC. Please indicate to me who from your organization will
be on the co-proposers list.
Regards
Abbie