RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

["Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>]

Tony

So you saying not in the name of the TC, but OK to mention in the charter??

regards

abbie

 

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From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:16 AM
To: Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14)
Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Joao Girao; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

I agree that SOA covers all, thus I don't think that we need to include Web 2.0 in the name

Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122

"Abbie Barbir" ---10/14/2008 06:41:23 AM---Tony

From:	"Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>
To:	Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, <lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>
Cc:	<asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Ronco Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael (Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>, "HANANE BECHA" <hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>, "Paul Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "Pierre Tane" <ptane@nortel.com>, "Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date:	10/14/2008 06:41 AM
Subject:	RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

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Tony
We are not planning on ignoring either. From the beginning we 
thought of SOA to imply both Web Services , REST and any other technology. We 
think of SOA as a concept that can utilize any avilable technology or a mixture 
off.

Regards
Abbie

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From: Anthony Nadalin 
[mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: 
Monday, October 13, 2008 2:05 PM
To: 
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com
Cc: Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14); 
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael); 
BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Phillips, John 
(HAL02:V3BO4); Joao Girao; Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Brenner,Michael Ralf 
(Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); Tane, Pierre 
(CTF:EP10); Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; Storrie, John 
(MOP:MS024); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

But lets put that in the perspective of SOA, as there is nothing preventing folks from using REST based protocols for SOA, just like there is nothing preventing folks from using Web Services. So I would think that we should remove Web 2.0 and focus on the gaps of SOA for telecom and if the Web 2.0 issues come up then great but to limit this to REST and not include Web Services is a mistake (thus just not include either in the name)

Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122

lucia.gradinariu---10/13/2008 12:03:27 PM---Some non-marketing interest in Web 2.0:

From:	lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com
To:	"Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>
Cc:	asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, "Ronco Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael \(Michael\)" <giordano@avaya.com>, "HANANE BECHA" <hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf \(Michael\)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>, "Paul Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "Pierre Tane" <ptane@nortel.com>, "Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa \(Musa\)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>
Date:	10/13/2008 12:03 PM
Subject:	RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

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Some non-marketing 
interest in Web 2.0: 
As feedback from architects in Tier1s SDP projects, 
they are concerned with using WS in cases such as exposing services across 
Service Providers domains due to high cost of development and testing, they 
prefer no coding/QA if possible. Alternative proposals are simpler plain 
Html/Java script or Web 2.0 interfaces and they work on embeding problem 
management and other operational aspects into that.
Lucia


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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: Stephane H Maes 
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, October 13, 2008 8:13 am
To: 
Anthony Nadalin <drsecure@us.ibm.com>, Abbie 
Barbir
<abbieb@nortel.com>
Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, 
Ronco Enrico
<enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael 
(Michael)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, HANANE BECHA 
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, 
Bilel Jamoussi <jamoussi@nortel.com>, 
John Phillips <jap@nortel.com>,
Joao Girao 
<joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, 
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com, Marco 
Carugi
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf 
(Michael)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan" 
<ms@mitre.org>,
Orit Levin <oritl@microsoft.com>, Paul 
Knight
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, Pierre Tane <ptane@nortel.com>, 
"Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, Amardeo Sarma 
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, 
John Storrie <storrie@nortel.com>, 
"UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>

Agree I did not want 
to get stuck on that but why is web 2.0 called out is unclear too other than for 
"marketing" reasons...

Stephane

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Chief Architect 
& CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
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(mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
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From: Anthony 
Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 
6:49 AM
To: Abbie Barbir
Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; 
Giordano,Michael (Michael); HANANE BECHA; Bilel Jamoussi; John Phillips; Joao 
Girao; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Marco Carugi; Brenner,Michael Ralf 
(Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Paul Knight; Pierre Tane; Natale,Bob; 
Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; John Storrie; UNMEHOPA,Musa 
(Musa)
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

Why Web 2.0 ? REST and Web Service can both play a role 
in SOA, so I would leave it at SOA and not add Web 2.0

Anthony Nadalin | 
Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122

"Abbie Barbir" ---10/11/2008 06:17:13 PM---Stephane

From:	"Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>
To:	"Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, <lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>
Cc:	"John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "Giordano,Michael (Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA" <hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>, "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>, "Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Sabbouh,Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>, "Pierre Tane" <ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Ronco Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>
Date:	10/11/2008 06:17 PM
Subject:	RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

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Stephane
Many thanks

So the current running name is 
(slight modification change To to Can):

"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and 
Web 2.0 Technologies Can Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements"

So let 
us try some acronyms here:

1. IGST
2. GIST
3. GSAT
Any other 
suggestions??
Regards
Abbie

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From: Stephane H 
Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com] 
Sent: 
Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:34 PM
To: 
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14)
Cc: Storrie, John 
(MOP:MS024); Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,Michael (Michael); 
Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa); Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); 
BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John 
(HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit 
Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh,Marwan; Tane, Pierre 
(CTF:EP10); asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Subject: RE: 
[asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

My problem in general is if the title seems to 
imply a major restriction on the scope that we do not have. So a title like 
"exploring the use of telecom service in applications" *limits the scope to 
exposure of Telecom capabilities in applications* (in addition to being 
questionable (service and application are at the same level it should rather 
have been function , capabilities, enablers that we use instead of services...). 
There are many other uses / aspects of SOA in Telco that we should 
consider.

"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill 
Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom Services" ha the same 
restriction. Call it "Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies to 
Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements" would work better (because it does not 
limit to the scope to the usage of SOA in exposure to applications, which really 
is just 3rd party exposure or VAS exposure in Telco).

Same comment to the 
shorter version. The " Applications Entailing Telecom Services" qualification is 
not OK.

Thanks

Stephane

_____
Stephane H. Maes, PhD, 
Chief Architect & CTO, 
Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 
(mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
e-mail: 
stephane.maes@oracle.com
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype) or 
stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or stephane.maes@gmail.com 
(Google)

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From: 
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com [mailto:lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:46 AM
To: Abbie Barbir
Cc: John Storrie; 
Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,Michael (Michael); Brenner,Michael Ralf 
(Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa); Paul Knight; HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John 
Phillips; John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; 
Joao Girao; Sabbouh,Marwan; Stephane H Maes; Pierre Tane; 
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc


The 
current title is not bad as one needs to start by analyzing the use before 
identifying the how and the gaps in what's available. 
Nevertheless, the 
title should reflect the objective not how the group will reach it. And the 
objective as I understand it is:
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 
Technologies Fulfill Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom 
Services"

or shorter forms (suggestions):
"Technology Gaps in 
Supporting Applications Entailing Telecom Services (TG-SATS)"
"Expanding New 
Technologies to Applications Entailing Telecom Services (ETATS)"

hope one 
of these can work

Lucia


Lucia Gradinariu, Principal
LGG 
Solutions, LLC
mobile: +1.719.964.1446
skype: lgradina
www.gradinariu.com

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: 
[asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: "Abbie Barbir" 
<abbieb@nortel.com>
Date: Fri, October 10, 2008 2:04 am
To: 
"Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "Pierre 
Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>, 
"Ronco
Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>
Cc: "John Storrie" 
<storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, 
"Anthony Nadalin" <drsecure@us.ibm.com>, 
"Giordano, Michael (Michael)" 
<giordano@avaya.com>, "Brenner, Michael
Ralf (Michael)" 
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA, Musa
(Musa)" 
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul 
Knight"
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA" 
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, 
"Marco Carugi" 
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips"
<jap@nortel.com>, 
"John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Bilel
Jamoussi" 
<jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin" 
<oritl@microsoft.com>,
<lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>, 
"Natale, Bob"
<RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" 
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Joao
Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, 
"Sabbouh, Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>

Hi
Please suggest a name for the TC that we can agree on. 
cheers
abbie

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From: Stephane H 
Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 
11:15 PM
To: Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14); 
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); 
Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael 
Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE 
(CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, 
John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit Levin; 
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Natale, Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; 
Sabbouh, Marwan
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

Is this title supposed to replace the SOA gaps?

I think 
that we lost completely with the title the fact that the goal is to collect 
requirements and issues with SOA (if any) for telecom and find ways to address. 
the title is not OK. We should revert to previous title or find a new 
one...

Few more comments / suggestions to the draft in the 
doc.

Thanks

Stephane

_____
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Chief Architect & CTO, 
Mobility, Voice, and Communications, Oracle.
Ph: +1-203-300-7786 
(mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM: +1-650-607-6296
e-mail: 
stephane.maes@oracle.com
IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype) or 
stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or stephane.maes@gmail.com 
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From: Pierre 
Tane [mailto:ptane@nortel.com] 
Sent: 
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:23 AM
To: Abbie Barbir; 
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: John Storrie; Amardeo Sarma; 
Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael); 
UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Paul Knight; HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John Phillips; 
John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; 
Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, 
Marwan
Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

(Resent to you separately, Stephane, given your mail server 
blocks zip files. A similar mail went to the ASOAT mailing list.)

Hello 
all,

I've enclosed a modified version to correct a few remainign typos 
and to propose a short sentence to address the editor's note that resulted from 
the comment i had made on the previous version. Let me know how i 
fared.

Kind regards,

Pierre

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From: Barbir, 
Abbie (CAR:1A14) 
Sent: jeudi 9 octobre 2008 13:17
To: 
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico
Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); 
Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael 
Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Knight, Paul 
(BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John 
(HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit 
Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo 
Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan
Subject: [asoat-discuss] 
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

All,
Attached are two files.

The clean file reflects my 
attempt in incorporating all the comments that has been recived so far on the 
charter. 

The second file is to be used as a reference by the readers to 
see if I have addressed the comments correctly.

As such, time is really 
important now.
Please review the clean version and let us see if we have 
agreement on the text. Once that is done hopefully ASAP, I will setup a call 
next week to ensure that we are all on agreement on the charter.

Before I 
can send the send the charter to OASIS I will need the list of co-proposers of 
this TC. Please indicate to me who from your organization will be on the 
co-proposers list.


Regards
Abbie