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Subject: AW: [bpel4people-editors] Progress on BP-16 / Proposed 17 Dec Telecon Cancellation


Vinky,

Did you check (revised) comments I sent on Dec 15 (see attached email)? 

Regards,

Ivana
  


Ivana Trickovic
Standards Architect 
SAP AG
Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16
69190 Walldorf, Germany
T +49 6227 7-63228
F +49 6227 78-33160
M +49 151 57118422
mailto:ivana.trickovic@sap.com
www.sap.com

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mehta, Vinkesh (US - Austin) [mailto:vmehta@DELOITTE.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Dezember 2008 07:06
An: Luc Clement; Trickovic, Ivana; 'Dieter Koenig1'
Cc: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: RE: [bpel4people-editors] Progress on BP-16 / Proposed 17 Dec Telecon Cancellation

Luc, Ivana,

I just want to confirm that I do not need to make any updates (Ivana's Comments) for BP-16 for HT.

If my understanding is not correct then please let me know. I will have some time today ( Dec 22nd ) to complete this.

Thanks,
-Vinky

Vinkesh O.  Mehta , PMP
Specialist Leader,  Deloitte Consulting LLP
Mobile: + 1 512 750 2006
vmehta@deloitte.com
www.deloitte.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Luc Clement [mailto:luc.clement@activevos.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:43 AM
To: 'Trickovic, Ivana'; 'Dieter Koenig1'
Cc: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [bpel4people-editors] Progress on BP-16 / Proposed 17 Dec Telecon Cancellation

I propose the following order for the pen for HT:

a. Ivana - note that I have a comment on section 2.5 (see my input on the B4P spec)
b. Dieter
c. Krasimir for BP-43.

Would be great if we could get all of this done this week.

Luc

-----Original Message-----
From: Trickovic, Ivana [mailto:ivana.trickovic@sap.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 09:38
To: Dieter Koenig1; Luc Clement
Cc: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: AW: [bpel4people-editors] Progress on BP-16 / Proposed 17 Dec Telecon Cancellation

Same on my side: I also have to update sections 2 and 3 (1 or 2 comments per section). Please note that I am out of the office starting Dec 22 and will be back on Jan 7.

I will send my comments on the B4P spec today. OK with having no call today.

Regards,

Ivana



Ivana Trickovic
Standards Architect
SAP AG
Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16
69190 Walldorf, Germany
T +49 6227 7-63228
F +49 6227 78-33160
M +49 151 57118422
mailto:ivana.trickovic@sap.com
www.sap.com

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Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Henning Kagermann (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Léo Apotheker (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Claus Heinrich, Gerhard Oswald, John Schwarz, Peter Zencke
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dieter Koenig1 [mailto:dieterkoenig@de.ibm.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 15:15
An: Luc Clement
Cc: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: Re: [bpel4people-editors] Progress on BP-16 / Proposed 17 Dec Telecon Cancellation

Hi Luc (and Editors) - I lost track about who has the pen right now (still
need to update WS-HT chapters 4+5 according to comments I received).

I am fine with having no call today - I assume the next one is then after
the TC call on Jan 7.

Kind Regards

Dieter König

Senior Technical Staff Member, WebSphere Process Server Architect
IBM Software Group, Application and Integration Middleware Software
WSS Business Process Solutions





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I believe that with Dieter's and Ivana's last round of input we will have
completed BP-16 updates to the WS-HT spec once these are applied by Dieter
and Vinky. Krasimir will then have the pen to apply the updates to BP-43.

There is a planned Editors SC telecom scheduled for tomorrow to resolve any
remaining HT issues and review B4P updates. Given that B4P comments have
not yet been submitted and unless there is any disagreement with Ivana's
last set of comments (?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/bpel4people-editors/200812/msg00018.html
) it does not look like we need to meet tomorrow. Please send in mail
indicating any disagreement. Otherwise, I propose that tomorrow's telecom
be cancelled.

Let's nonetheless aim to submit input to the B4P BP-16 updates tomorrow, so
that Ralf and Ravi can incorporate your input.

Luc Clément
Active Endpoints, Inc
+1.978.793.2162  | luc.clement@activevos.com




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--- Begin Message ---
Hi all,
 
Finally, I revisited my initial input (please see below) - I used revision 77. Commentx on sections 4 and 5 did not change. I updated comments on sections 7 and 8.
 
Kind regards,
 
Ivana 
 
Section 4

==========

Line 1075: 

"The name combined with the target namespace of a task element is used to uniquely identify the task definition. "

Change to 

"The name combined with the target namespace MUST uniquely identify a task element enclosed in the task definition."

Line 1396: 

"For all deadlines if a status is not reached within a certain time then an escalation action, specified using element <escalation>, can be triggered. "

Change to 

"For all deadlines if a status is not reached within a certain time then an escalation action, specified using element <escalation>, is triggered. "

Line 1411: keep "MAY"

Line 1432: 

"In the case where several reassignment escalations are triggered, the first reassignment (lexical order) will be considered for execution. "

change to 

"In the case where several reassignment escalations are triggered, the first reassignment (lexical order) MUST be considered for execution by the WS-HumanTask Processor. "

Line 1436: keep "MAY"

Line 1643: 

"People queries that cannot be executed successfully are treated as if they were returning an empty set. "

change to 

"People queries that cannot be executed successfully MUST be treated as if they were returning an empty set. "

Line 1646: keep "must" and change to "MUST"

Line 1718: keep "may" and change to "MAY"

Line 1763: 

"The name combined with the target namespace of a notification element is used to uniquely identify the notification definition. "

change to 

"The name combined with the target namespace MUST uniquely identify a notification in the notification definition. "

 

Section 7

==========

 

Line 1981:

"The calling application MAY set values of the following attributes of the task definition:"

change to 

"The WS-HumanTask Parent MAY set values of the following attributes of the task definition"

 

Line 1998: 

"that the parent application MUST use to send all protocol messages "

change to 

"that the WS-HumanTask Parent MUST use to send all protocol messages"

 

Line 2001: "The parent application reacts to that message by sending " change to 

"The WS-HumanTask Parent reacts to that message by sending "

 

Line 2023: "Only priority and people assignments MUST be overridden for a notification"

change to 

"Only priority and people assignments MAY be overridden for a notification"

 

Line 2029: "between the WS-HumaTask Processor and Application. "

change to 

"between the WS-HumaTask Processor and WS-HumanTask Parent."

 

Line 2039: "available to the WS-HumanTask processor" change to "available to the WS-HumanTask Processor"

 

Line 2040: "registration service MUST be passed by Applicaton" change to "registration service MUST be passed by WS-HumanTask Parent"

 

Line 2127: "the exit protocol message MUST be passed to the subprocess by"

change to

"the exit protocol message MUST be passed to the task by " 

 

Line 2193: "This policy assertion may be associated" change to "This policy assertion can be associated "

 

Line 2197: "the provider of a human task MAY signal whether or not the corresponding task may communicate with an invoking component via the WS-HumanTask coordination protocol. " change to "the provider of a human task can signal whether or not the corresponding task can communicate with an invoking component via the WS-HumanTask coordination protocol. "

 

Line 2204: "This policy assertion specifies that the sender of an input message MUST include context information for a human task coordination type passed with the message." change to "This policy assertion specifies that the WS-HumanTask Parent, in this case sender, MUST include context information for a human task coordination type passed with the message."

 

Line 2223: "In that case it means that the sender of an input message MAY pass the human task context information with the message."

change to 

"In that case it means that the WS-HumanTask Parent, in this case the sender, MAY pass the human task context information with the message."

 

 

Section 8

==========

Line 2230: "Passing this callback information from a caller (i.e. a requesting application) to a human task may override static deployment information that may have been set. "

change to 

"Passing this callback information from a WS-HumanTask Parent (i.e. a requesting application) to a human task MAY override static deployment information that may have been set. "

 

Line 2279: "This element of the EPR MUST be sent by the caller" change to "This element of the EPR MUST be sent by the WS-HumanTask Parent, the caller,  " 

 

Line 2287: "message from the WS-HumanTask Processor back to the caller" change to "message from the WS-HumanTask Processor back to the WS-HumanTask Parent, the caller"

 

Line 2294:""If this element is specified the <htcp:responseAction> element MUST NOT be specified by the caller." change to 

"If this element is specified the <htcp:responseAction> element MUST NOT be specified by the WS-HumanTask Parent."

 

Line 2385: "Note that the [fault endpoint] property is not used " change to "Note that the [fault endpoint] property MUST NOT be used "

 

Ivana Trickovic 
Standards Architect 
SAP AG 
Dietmar-Hopp-Allee 16 
69190 Walldorf, Germany 
T +49 6227 7-63228 
F +49 6227 78-33160 
M +49 151 57118422 
mailto:ivana.trickovic@sap.com 
www.sap.com <http://www.sap.com/>  

Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Walldorf, Germany 
Vorstand/SAP Executive Board: Henning Kagermann (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Léo Apotheker (Sprecher/Co-CEO), Werner Brandt, Claus Heinrich, Gerhard Oswald, John Schwarz, Peter Zencke

Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairperson of the SAP Supervisory Board: Hasso Plattner 
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Von: Mehta, Vinkesh (US - Austin) [mailto:vmehta@DELOITTE.com] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2008 19:43
An: Dieter Koenig1; Trickovic, Ivana
Cc: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Betreff: RE: [bpel4people-editors] Forward Progress on BP-16 - Revised Comments


 
I have updated the WS-HT with Dieter's comments (see response below). And I have checked in the WS-HT into svn.
 
Ivana, will you be sending me additional/updated comments or does Dieter's comments includes your feedback?
 
Thanks,
-Vinky
 
Vinkesh O.  Mehta , PMP
Specialist Leader,  Deloitte Consulting LLP
Mobile: + 1 512 750 2006
vmehta@deloitte.com 
www.deloitte.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dieter Koenig1 [mailto:dieterkoenig@de.ibm.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:52 AM
To: bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Fw: [bpel4people-editors] Forward Progress on BP-16 - Revised Comments
 
 
Dear BPEL4People Editing team, after discovering that section 2.3 already defines a conformance target "WS-HumanTask Parent", I need to revise my comments sent out earlier. Here is the new set:
 
 
Section 3.2.
line 516 - "they can be used" would be sufficient - no MAY needed <vinky>replaced 'may' with 'can'</vinky>
 
Section 4.+5.
(edited by DK) no comments
 
Section 6.
line 1811 (void  response) - this is normatively addressed in ws-humantask-api.wsdl - no issue required 
<vinky>Deleted Comment</vinky>
 
line 1826 - broken reference <vinky>reference works</vinky>
 
line 1845 - dup of line 1808 <vinky> Line deleted </vinky>
 
line 1935 - add "A WS-HT processor MUST support the XPath functions listed below"? <vinky> Added line </Vinky>
 
Section 7.
line 1993 - "WS-HumanTask Processor implementation" - drop "implementation" <vinky>dropped</vinky>
line 2001 - "The parent application MUST react ..." - not sure if we need this - it is already mandated by WS-Coordination <vinky> Removed MUST </vinky>
 
line 2014 (same on line 2019 and line 2028) - "Response message SHOULD NOT ..." - revert to original sentence (this is a one-way operation - there is never a response) <vinky>reverted to Original</vinky>
 
line 2017 - scenario 3 - replace "parent application" by "WS-HumanTask Parent" <vinky> replaced </vinky>
line 2033 - replace "Human task aware requesting applications" by "A WS-HumanTask Parent" <vinky> replaced </vinky>
line 2048 and line 2053 (attachments) - MAY seems ok as the attachment concept as a whole is optional <vinky>Comment deleted</vinky>
 
line 2057 and line 2060 - change "No attachments MUST be returned." to "Attachments MUST NOT be returned." <vinky> Changed </vinky>
 
line 2063 - drop "No attachments MUST be returned.." <vinky> Dropped, Comment deleted </vinky>
 
line 2087 and line 2095 - again, the absence of a response is already covered by the normative one-way interface of protocol operations, so these two sentences can be reverted to their original wording <vinky> Reverted </vinky>
 
line 2114 - replace MAY by MUST, <vinky> replaced </vinky>
 
line 2143 - revert "WS-HumanTask Definition" to "WS-HumanTask" - the context is completely independent of a task definition <vinky> reverted </vinky>
 
line 2197 - (policy assertion) replace MAY by SHOULD <vinky> replaced </vinky>
 
Section 8.
line 2301 - replace "the caller" (conformance target) by "the WS-HumanTask Parent" <vinky> replaced </vinky>
 
line 2335 - replace ")will be used" by "is used" (always use present tense) <vinky> replaced </vinky>
 
line 2408 - add normative language to the SOAP binding section <vinky>added normative language 'MUST' with regards to WS-Addr-SOAP</vinky>
 
line 2470 - replace "set by the caller in its response to the caller" by "set by the WS-HumanTask Processor in its response to the WS-HumanTask Parent" <vinky>replaced </vinky>
 
 
Kind Regards
 
Dieter König
 
Senior Technical Staff Member, WebSphere Process Server Architect IBM Software Group, Application and Integration Middleware Software WSS Business Process Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
Phone:            +49-7031-16-3426           IBM Deutschland                      (Embedded
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E-Mail:           dieterkoenig@de.ibm.com    Schönaicher Str. 220
 
                                              71032 Böblingen
 
                                              Germany
 
 
 
 
 
IBM Deutschland
Research &
Development
GmbH /
Vorsitzender des
Aufsichtsrats:
Martin Jetter
Geschäftsführung:
Erich Baier
Sitz der
Gesellschaft:
Böblingen /
Registergericht:
Amtsgericht
Stuttgart, HRB
243294
 
 
 
----- Forwarded by Dieter Koenig1/Germany/IBM on 10.12.2008 18:40 -----.
 
  From:       Dieter Koenig1/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
 
  To:         "Luc Clement" <luc.clement@activevos.com>
 
  Cc:         bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org
 
  Date:       08.12.2008 11:28
 
  Subject:    Re: [bpel4people-editors] Forward Progress on BP-16
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dear BPEL4People Editing team, I collected a couple of review comments listed below - we may walk through in one of the next editor's calls.
 
 
Section 3.2.
line 516 - "they can be used" would be sufficient - no MAY needed
 
Section 4.+5.
(edited by DK) no comments
 
Section 6.
line 1811 (void  response) - this is normatively addressed in ws-humantask-api.wsdl - no issue required line 1826 - broken reference line 1845 - dup of line 1808 line 1935 - add "A WS-HT processor MUST support the XPath functions listed below"?
 
Section 7.
line 1993 - "WS-HumanTask Processor implementation" - drop "implementation"
line 2001 - "The parent application MUST react ..." - not sure if we need this - it is alread mandated by WS-Coordination line 2014 (same on line 2019 and line 2028) - "Response message SHOULD NOT ..." - revert to original sentence (this is a one-way operation - there is never a response) line 2017 (same on line 2033) - >>>NEW ISSUE<<< - scenario 3 - the parent application must be a conformance target (!) as it has to send the "exit"
protocol message - in line 2033, they are called "Human task aware requesting applications" - in line 2301, "the caller" is used line 2048 and line 2053 (attachments) - MAY seems ok as the attachment concept as a whole is optional line 2057 and line 2060 - change "No attachments MUST be returned." to "
Attachments MUST NOT be returned."
line 2063 - drop "No attachments MUST be returned.."
line 2087 and line 2095 - again, the absence of a response is already covered by the normative one-way interface of protocol operations, so these two sentences can be reverted to their original wording line 2114 - replace MAY by MUST, line 2143 - revert "WS-HumanTask Definition" to "WS-HumanTask" - the context is completely independent of a task definition line 2197 - (policy assertion) replace MAY by SHOULD
 
Section 8.
line 2301 - "the caller" (conformance target) - see issue above line 2335 - replace ")will be used" by "is used" (always use present tense) line 2408 - add normative language to the SOAP binding section line 2470 - replace "caller" by "WS-HumanTask Processor"
 
 
Kind Regards
 
Dieter König
 
Senior Technical Staff Member, WebSphere Process Server Architect IBM Software Group, Application and Integration Middleware Software WSS Business Process Solutions
 
 
 
 
 
Phone:            +49-7031-16-3426           IBM Deutschland
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E-Mail:           dieterkoenig@de.ibm.com    Schönaicher Str. 220
 
 
                                              71032 Böblingen
 
 
                                              Germany
 
 
 
 
 
 
IBM Deutschland
 
Research &
 
Development
 
GmbH /
 
Vorsitzender des
 
Aufsichtsrats:
 
Martin Jetter
 
Geschäftsführung:
 
Erich Baier
 
Sitz der
 
Gesellschaft:
 
Böblingen /
 
Registergericht:
 
Amtsgericht
 
Stuttgart, HRB
 
243294
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From:       "Luc Clement" <luc.clement@activevos.com>
 
 
  To:         <bpel4people-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
 
 
  Date:       05.12.2008 02:15
 
 
  Subject:    [bpel4people-editors] Forward Progress on BP-16
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Folks,
 
Unfortunately, we weren't able to make progress on the HT review this week.
Ivana, Dieter and I discussed when we met briefly on Wednesday that we need to close our review of HT by Wed 10 and the review of the B4P updates by Wed 17. This would permit the TC to approve our BP-16 proposal, and subsequently release CD-02 early in the new year.
 
To this end we ask that all editors provide input on the HT updates starting from 3.2 (to the end) no later than 10 Dec.
 
Ralf has not only completed his updates to B4P but mine also J. Sections 1 through 6 have been completed, and Ravi now has the pen. Given this progress and on the assumption that Ravi will be completed shortly, I ask that all input on BP-16 updates to B4P be submitted  by the 17th.
 
If there are any issues that need to be discussed, we can do so on the meetings of the 10th and 17th.
 
Let's get this done before Xmas. I trust that everyone is on board with this.
 
Luc'
 
Luc Clément
Active Endpoints, Inc
+1.978.793.2162  | luc.clement@activevos.com
 
 
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