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Subject: [bpel4people] F2F Raw notes from chat Wed 21 Jan
[8:32] Dieter Koenig: F2F group dinner Jan 21 menu and directions: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/document.php?document_id=30785 [9:02] Dieter Koenig: Scribe (Jan 21, morning): Dieter [9:06] Dieter Koenig: Agenda for Jan 21 Wednesday 1/21 - 9 AM to 5 PM 1. Review New Issues Opened by Yoichi - up to 2 hours http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-64 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-65 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-66 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-67 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-68 2. Michael to review proposals for issues 36, 44, 45 - up to 2 hours http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-36 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-44 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-45 [9:12] Dieter Koenig: Topic 1. Review New Issues Opened by Yoichi - up to 2 hours [9:17] Dieter Koenig: Slides attached here: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00027.html [9:17] Dave Ings: Yoichi, we have lost your connection, are you there? [9:17] yoichi: hello? [9:17] anonymous morphed into Hannah Petereit [9:18] Dave Ings: Hello are you on mute? [9:18] Dave Ings: we can't hear you!! [9:18] yoichi: No, but I will try different handset [9:18] anonymous1 morphed into Alireza Farhoush [9:18] Dave Ings: Perhaps dial in again? [9:19] yoichi: calling [9:23] Dieter Koenig: Yoichi walks thru the slides for the new issue BP-64 ... [9:34] Dave Ings: Yoichi, the line is half-duplex, can you please pause quite often to allow questions etc [9:47] Dieter Koenig: For the coordination between task parent runtime and task runtime, see also figure 1 in chapter 7 of ws-ht [9:50] anonymous morphed into Phil Allen [9:52] Dieter Koenig: OASIS email links to issues 64-68 BP-64: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00010.html BP-65: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00023.html BP-66: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00020.html BP-67: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00021.html BP-68: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00022.html [9:55] Dieter Koenig: Need to add a comment to BP-65: add a overview figure to the spec, describing the overall architecture including the task parent, the tasklist, the client, and the interactions between them [9:57] Alireza Farhoush: A couple of things to add: description of each component of the architecture in detail, and providing a glossary describing all related terms. [9:58] Dave Ings: Note that 65 is purely descriptive in nature and not normative [9:58] Dieter Koenig: Motion: accept BP-65 as amended by the above enhancements (m: Phil, s: Gerhard) [9:59] Dieter Koenig: No objection - BP-65 is opened [10:00] Dieter Koenig: BP-65 is assigned to Frank [10:00] Dieter Koenig: next subtopic: BP-66 [10:01] Dieter Koenig: Motion to close BP-66 without action (m: Gerhard, s: Martin) - no objections - BP-66 is closed [10:02] Dieter Koenig: next subtopic: BP-67 [10:05] Dieter Koenig: Motion to close BP-67 with no action - duplicate of BP-65 - (m: Gerhard, s: Dieter) - no objection - BP-67 is closed [10:05] Dieter Koenig: next subtopic: BP-68 [10:11] Dieter Koenig: Motion to open BP-68 - (m: Michael R, s: Dieter) - no objection - BP-68 is opened [10:11] Dave Ings: Proposal: resolve 68 by deleting the sentence at 2298 "The value of this element is taken from the htd:remoteTask/ @responseOperation attribute." in HT. [10:12] Dieter Koenig: Motion to resolve BP-68 as described above - (m: Michael R, s: Matthias) [10:13] Dieter Koenig: No objection - BP-68 is resolved [10:14] Dieter Koenig: ----------- 10 min break ------------ [10:27] Dieter Koenig: Next topic: 2. Michael to review proposals for issues 36, 44, 45 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-36 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-44 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-45 [10:28] Dieter Koenig: BP-36 doc attached to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00025.html [10:30] Dieter Koenig: first subtopic: BP-44 [10:31] Dieter Koenig: BP-44 proposal in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/bpel4people/200812/msg00034.html [10:45] Dieter Koenig: Need to discuss "bulk"/"batch" operations == operations invoked for a list of task ids [10:48] Dieter Koenig: Gerhard will submit a separate issue [10:49] Dieter Koenig: The new issue will address single operations on a set of tasks [10:53] Dieter Koenig: Mike R. will submit a revised proposal that addresses extensibility [10:53] Dieter Koenig: next subtopic: BP-36 [11:00] Dieter Koenig: Operation getTaskDetails() already exists (after the resolution of BP-61): http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BP-61 [11:04] Dieter Koenig: WS-HT section 3.4 defines "task instance data" [11:09] Dieter Koenig: Proposal: call the new operation "getTaskInstanceData()" [11:25] Dieter Koenig: Reconcile proposal with BP-61 [11:25] Dieter Koenig: next subtopic: BP-45 [11:26] Dieter Koenig: Proposal attached here: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bpel4people/email/archives/200901/msg00012.html [11:32] Dieter Koenig: Discussion about the relationship between task instance lifecycle and task instance history lifecycle [12:19] Dieter Koenig: Need to define what data is returned by the getTaskHistory operation (security aspect) [12:20] Dieter Koenig: TBD: (1) task history for simple tasks (see Mike's proposal) (2) task history sharing for composite tasks (3) task history sharing with task parent [12:28] Dieter Koenig: Need to define the granularity of filter criteria [12:29] Dieter Koenig: Need to have an approach for paging (start index, max events) consistent with task instance query operations [12:32] Dieter Koenig: Gerhard will raise a new issue for a consistent paging approach in query operations [12:38] Dieter Koenig: ----------- lunch break ----------- [13:58] Ralf Mueller: Taking over scribe from Dieter [13:58] anonymous morphed into Dave Ings [14:00] Ralf Mueller: Alex to present Task Parent to Task Processor Interop form simple task types [14:11] Ralf Mueller: Discussed deployment of human interactions to Task Processors, are there cases that require standardization because of tighter coupling between B4P and WST-HT Processor ? [14:38] Ralf Mueller: Alex to formalize the concept of lean task, task outcomes and API [14:39] Ralf Mueller: 10 minute break. [14:59] Ralf Mueller: Agenda Items for Thursday: Human Task Context (request/response) (Dieter), Get Task operations API (Mike) [15:05] Dave Ings: Proposed motion: the decision of the TC is to base subsequent discussion and evolution (i.e. the baseline proposal) regarding issue 28 upon the most recent slide deck provided by IBM and SAP and as discussed on 1/20 at the F2F. [15:05] Ralf Mueller: Ivana moves, Martin seconds [15:06] Ralf Mueller: Motion unanimously carried [15:09] Ralf Mueller: Dieter to present Result Aggregation proposal for routing patterns [15:45] Ralf Mueller: Hannah to present on Input and Output handling for Composite Tasks [16:36] Ralf Mueller: Continued the discussion with Attachments and Comments [17:04] Ralf Mueller: Group Discussion on Composite Tasks, Lean Tasks, process vs. task [17:18] Ralf Mueller: End of Discussion at 5:15pm
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