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Subject: RE: [bt-spec] BTP Issue 7 : SOAP RPC - 0.9.0.4 solution


Text 0.9.0.4 has a revised solution, removing the btp:transmission and btp:transmissionResponse elements, and stating that BTP always uses document literal style. Otherwise, 0.9.0.4 is basically the same - in particular the request/response exploitation rules are the same.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Furniss [mailto:peter.furniss@choreology.com]
Sent: 18 December 2001 13:38
To: bt-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [bt-spec] BTP Issue 7 : SOAP RPC - 0.9.0.3 solution

This issue was discussed extensively at the f-t-f. There are really several sub-threads, all arising from issue 7, though not always obviously. Following attempts to explain/justify what is in 0.9.0.3 in the light of the f-t-f discussion.
 
The original issue description was "Existing SOAP binding does not allow for use of SOAP RPC model, which is inefficient, and makes it hard to construct thin clients without listening capacity, using standard SOAP programming toolkits."
 
One of the motivations was the perceived "inefficiency", which referred to the belief that using the document/literal SOAP model on HTTP (for btp-only exchanges) it would not be possible to use the HTTP response for carrying btp messages. This is not true, but there do need to be rules for when the response is used (i.e. when can one side use it, when must the other side expect it).
 
0.9.0.3 provides rules for when btp messages can be sent on an http response, and when it can elect to send the message on an http request of its own. Rather than make these specific to the soap/http bindings, the rules are defined generally for any request/response carrier protocol and then referenced in the particular binding specification. These are the "request/response exploitation rules", on pages 108 - 110.

In relation to SOAP RPC in partiuclar, 0.9.0.3 includes (from the London messasging f-t-f, inter alia) an extra layer of element wrapping that makes a SOAP-RPC look like a document/literral sending  and vice versa.  Much discussion in Liberty Corner was on whether this affected the encoding - it doesn't, BTP is always in line with SOAP encoding. The btp:transmission and btp:transmissionResponse are just tricks, used explicitly when sending/receiving according to the document convention, to make the messages look like an RPC invocation or response. And to implement using an RPC toolkit with a method "transmission". (this has then to do a fan-out to process whatever the message or messages are both the invocation/request, and on the reply, which might be carrying more or less any message(s)).
 
The question is whether this is needed at all - people seemed to have gone off SOAP RPC.  However, remember that this is a mapping to SOAP 1.1, targetting what is deployed and available, not might (or even probably) -will-be's.
 
The SOAP RPC specific changes are only the last sentence added to the first paragraph of the SOAP Binding definition:

 " In the former case, an additional XML wrapper element is used to allow implementations to treat the SOAP messages as using the RPC convention, or to use the document convention " 

 

and the paragraph

 

When BTP messages are sent on an HTTP request which is not carrying an application message, the messages are contained in a single btp:messages element which is the immediate child element of a btp:transmission element which is the immediate child element of the SOAP-Body element. When BTP messages are sent on an HTTP response that is the reply to an HTTP request containing (in the SOAP-Body) a btp:transmission element, the BTP messages are contained in a single btp:messages element which is the immediate child element of a btp:transmissionResponse element which is the immediate child element of the SOAP-Body element.

 
The other changes in the SOAP Binding down as far as the note (line 3878) arise from the Request/response exploitation rules,which are still valid whether or not the btp:transmission stuff is done. (the other changes relate to issue 83)
 
 
There are thus three sub-issues from this that should be considered distinctly:
 
a) are the request/response exploitation rules the way to define the use of request/response
b) do they work for SOAP/HTTP in document mode
c) do we want the btp:transmission  rpc-or-document as you please element ?
 
Peter
 


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