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Subject: FW: (Per Mark Hale),RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business Transactiongroup



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Hale [mailto:mark.hale@interwoven.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:37 PM
> To: Bob Haugen; 'James Bryce Clark'
> Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Peter Furniss'; 'Eric Newcomer'
> Subject: RE: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business
> Transactiongroup
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I would be happy to arrange a telecon. I will be out next week.
> If  7/17 9am works into everyone's schedule, I can arrange the lines.
>
> 	Thanks,
>
> 	Mark
>
> (Sorry - I can't post to the complete reply list because I don't
> have privalages on ebxml-bp.)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Haugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: 'James Bryce Clark'; ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org
> > Cc: mark.hale@interwoven.com; karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Peter Furniss';
> > 'Eric Newcomer'
> > Subject: RE: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business
> > Transactiongroup
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested in a dispassionate conversation about how
> > those who know both BTP and the ebXML-BP + UMM transaction
> > protocol think the two compare and contrast.  (The comparers
> > would need to understand the UMM transaction patterns as
> > well as BPSS, and don't get hung up on choreography details.)
> >
> > In other words, set aside anything accusatory, e.g. words
> > like "conflict" and precedence and MOUs and see how the two
> > initiatives might relate.  Then we can get all mad at each
> other later.8-)
> >
> > My first impressions were that BTP covers a lot of the same ground,
> > even to the same idea of transactional behavior from the viewpoint
> > of the initiator.  As UN/CEFACT ebWG gets into collaboration patterns,
> > the area of overlap will be larger.
> >
> > We've just had Jean-Jacques Dubray do a detailed comparison and
> > binding between ebXML BPSS and BPML.  Something similar needs
> > to be done with the other collaboration choreography initiatives.
> >
> > -Bob Haugen
> >
> > (What was that quote about standards being wonderful because
> > there were so many of them?)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	James Bryce Clark [SMTP:jamie.clark@mmiec.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:53 PM
> > To:	ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org
> > Cc:	mark.hale@interwoven.com; karl.best@oasis-open.org
> > Subject:	(Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C?  and OASIS
> > Business Transactiongroup
> >
> > Forwarding this to the BP list from Mark Hale's post to the BTP list.
> >
> > At 03:32 PM 7/5/01, Mark A. Hale wrote:
> > >Karl,
> > >
> > >I would just like to further support your stance that this is
> > not duplicate
> > >effort with ebXML.
> > >
> > >As an organization that endorsed the BTP submission and also
> > being the ebXML
> > >POC co-chair at the same time, I reviewed the submission as
> > being entirely
> > >complementary to ebXML.  I fielded calls from other ebXML
> > organizations in
> > >the interim between submission and the start date in March.
> Most of the
> > >discussion emphasized that this technology does integrate into ebXML.
> > >However, ebXML was on a schedule for May and it was not feasible to
> > >introduce the topic and maintain the final date.  ebXML has been
> > considered
> > >from the start.  Conversely, BTP is nearing the end of its short
> > life-cycle
> > >and I would offer that we evaluate its direction at the final
> > f2f to be held
> > >later this month.
> > >
> > >I do not have post privileges on the ebxml-bp mailing list.
> > >
> > >         Thanks,
> > >
> > >         Mark
> >
> >
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