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Subject: Re: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web ServicesChoreography Working Group Proposal]


I agree that there needs to be some discussion of the relationship, but just
how far that goes with respect to shaping an initial specification is open
to some debate. I see it as a layered approach, with transaction committment
(or choreography commitment) as sitting on top of a "basic" choreography
infrastructure.

Mark.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Z Pope" <zpope@pobox.com>
To: "Mark Little" <m.c.little@ncl.ac.uk>; "Martin Chapman"
<martin.chapman@oracle.com>; <patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org>
Cc: <karl.best@oasis-open.org>; <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org>;
"'Jeff Mischkinsky'" <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>; "'Don Deutsch'"
<donald.deutsch@oracle.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web Services
Choreography Working Group Proposal]


>
> Mark,
> I think this last part gets us to the discussion that was desired in
> the first place.  What is the relationship between choreography and
> coordinated commitment (trying to be specific and avoid the overloaded
> term "transaction") and should this be in scope for the working group.
>
> =bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Little [mailto:m.c.little@ncl.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:27 PM
> To: zpope@pobox.com; Martin Chapman; patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org;
> 'Jeff Mischkinsky'; 'Don Deutsch'
> Subject: Re: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web
> Services Choreography Working Group Proposal]
>
>
> > I think we disagree an the amount of transactionality needed for
> > an orchestration service, that's ok, though it might be the crux of
> > this discussion.
>
> I think some orchestrations do require transactionality, but to require it
> for all is not the right approach IMO. A base orchestration service that
> does not provide transactions (whatever "transactions" might mean at that
> level) but can be augmented with them is far better and for more likely to
> achieve traction.
>
> > My goal in the BTP TC was to establish an extended
> > standard vocabulary of actions, beyond request/response that allowed
> > an orchestration to do things that aren't possible or are inefficient
> > in existing workflow systems.  I don't think your experience
> > contradicts that or the need for that.
>
> If you don't have a workflow system then cohesions is a good starting
point.
>
> > Going into the TC I didn't
> > expect the outcome to be based on 2-phase interaction, but that turned
> > out to be a good solution for a variety of reasons, not least of which
> > being it is a well understood pattern even when the semantic guarantees
> > of that pattern are changed, as done in BTP.  I would very much like
> > to see the discussion within the choreography work group include the
> > affect that related operations and cohesions can have on business
> > interactions.
>
> I think that anything with a transactions look-and-feel should be deferred
> until there is a real foundation on which to build. When that happens,
> cohesions and anything else are definitely worthy of inclusion.
>
> Mark.
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > =bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Little [mailto:m.c.little@ncl.ac.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:11 PM
> > To: zpope@pobox.com; Martin Chapman; patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> > Cc: tab@lists.oasis-open.org; karl.best@oasis-open.org;
> > business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Jeff Mischkinsky'; 'Don
> > Deutsch'
> > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web
> > Services Choreography Working Group Proposal]
> >
> >
> > Bill, as has already been pointed out, I think the mention of WS-Tx here
> is
> > misleading IMO. Certainly if transactional choreography is to be
> considered
> > by this working group then WS-Tx and BTP (and presumably THP since it is
a
> > W3C note) should be taken into account. However,
> choreography/orchestration
> > does not equate to transactionality and definitely does not require
> > something like BTP (or WS-Tx).
> >
> > In my experience both when working inside HP and outside,
> non-transactional
> > process-flow/work-flow can be accomplished without a two-phase
> transactional
> > protocol as both BTP and WS-Tx atomic transactions require. To say that
> BTP
> > was designed as the basis for a general orchestration service is
> incorrect:
> > it would be more accurate to say that it could be used as the basis of
> > transactional orchestration, which I think is important but not an
initial
> > step for an new working group to consider.
> >
> > This is a slight divergence, but within HP we found that if you had an
> > existing workflow system and wanted transactional workflows then atoms
> were
> > more than enough and cohesions didn't give you anything you didn't
already
> > have from the workflow system.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Z Pope" <zpope@pobox.com>
> > To: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>;
> > <patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org>
> > Cc: <tab@lists.oasis-open.org>; <karl.best@oasis-open.org>;
> > <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Jeff Mischkinsky'"
> > <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>; "'Don Deutsch'"
<donald.deutsch@oracle.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:38 AM
> > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web
> Services
> > Choreography Working Group Proposal]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Martin,
> > > I believe that you are selling BTP short.
> > >
> > > The technology spelled out in the BTP committee specification is
> > > designed to provide the underpinnings of an orchestration service.
> > > You'll see many of the same ideas such as passing context to establish
> > > linkage between requests to disparate services, detection of element
> > > failures, and selection of alternate routes through an application
> > > choreography.
> > >
> > > The BTP TC consciously avoided tackling the choreography/orchestration
> > > service for a number of reasons. a) getting the transactional
> capabilities
> > > right was a large enough problem (I would point out the inadequacies
of
> > > the WS-Transaction specification as a prima facia example of this).
> > > b) The level of industry experience with choreography of loosely
coupled
> > > systems made standardization premature.   In my view the ability to
> > perform
> > > coordination of application elements was seen by the BTP TC as the
> outcome
> > > of our work.
> > >
> > > The introduction, expansion, and development of the novel concept of
> > > cohesions as an integral part of the BTP committee specification is a
> > > strong indication of this intent.  This feature only makes sense when
> > > viewed as part of a system that is being run by business rules,
> regardless
> > > of how the rules are captured.  I believe inclusion of BTP in a
standard
> > > system for application choreography will allow parallel development of
> > > a useful standard at the same time experimentation is occuring.
> Stifling
> > > the experimentation will result in a weaker standard in an area
> essential
> > > for the use of web services for core business.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > =bill
> > >
> > > William Z Pope                          Bill.Pope@Choreology.com
> > > Choreology Ltd                           Mobile: +1 603 502 4490
> > > Director of Product Management          Office: +44 20 7670 1679
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:05 AM
> > > To: patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> > > Cc: tab@lists.oasis-open.org; karl.best@oasis-open.org;
> > > business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Jeff Mischkinsky'; 'Don
> > > Deutsch'
> > > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review: Web
> > > Services Choreography Working Group Proposal]
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick,
> > >
> > > I was involved in drafting this charter, and thus would like to
comment
> > > on your email.
> > > The goal of the proposed new work group is to define
> > > choreography/orchestration language(s)
> > > within a Web services specific context. It is not the intention of the
> > > proposed group to
> > > define transaction mechanisms, as noted in the out-of-scope section of
> > > the charter:
> > >
> > > It is obvious that transactions, security, reliability,
> > > availability, and other such
> > > qualities are intimately related with Web service choreography,
> > > some more than others.
> > > It is not the goal of this group to define these mechanisms, but
> > > it must clearly
> > > articulate the boundaries.
> > >
> > > In drafting the charter, it was not our intention to emphasize
> > > WS-Transactions (as opposed to BTP),
> > > and was mentioned in passing only because of its close association
with
> > > BEPL4WS, given the fact that
> > > these documents were released as a package.
> > >
> > > Finally, I would like to point out that of more direct relevance to
this
> > > charter is ebxml,
> > > especially BPSS, and this has been explicitly called out in the
charter,
> > > along with a need to
> > > liaise with OASIS.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >    Martin.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Karl Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:21 AM
> > > > To: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > Subject: [business-transaction] [Fwd: FW: Call for Review:
> > > > Web Services Choreography Working Group Proposal]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTP TC:
> > > >
> > > > OASIS would like your input regarding proposed upcoming activities
at
> > > > W3C. Please respond to Patrick and myself as suggested by
> > > > Patrick's message.
> > > >
> > > > -Karl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: FW: Call for Review: Web Services Choreography Working
Group
> > > > Proposal
> > > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:14:03 -0500
> > > > From: "Patrick Gannon" <patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org>
> > > > To: "Karl Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org>
> > > > CC: "OASIS TAB" <tab@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > >
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > Please forward this W3C CfR to the BTP TC, requesting them to
> > > > provide a response to OASIS management within 2 weeks.  I
> > > > would like to see a listing of and specific portions of the
> > > > BTP Specification that cover work items, deliverables or
> > > > other specific topics noted within the WSC WG Scope of Work.
> > > >
> > > > As a W3C member, I plan to file a response on behalf of OASIS.
> > > >
> > > > Upon initial review of this CfR (and without benefit of
> > > > closer examination), I am disturbed by the lack of research
> > > > that the organizers of this new WSC WG have done on other
> > > > relevant work.  Their is NO mention of the OASIS BTP TC work
> > > > and no listing of a liaison to OASIS to coordinate their
> > > > proposed new work with relevant work that has gone on at
> > > > OASIS over the past 22 months in the BTP TC.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Gannon
> > > > President & CEO
> > > > OASIS
> > > > PO Box 455, Billerica, MA  01821
> > > > +1-978-667-5115 x201 (Office)
> > > > +1-408-242-1018  (Mobile)
> > > > +1-978-667-5114  (Fax)
> > > > patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> > > > http://www.oasis-open.org
> > > > http://www.xml.org
> > > > http://xml.coverpages.org/
> > > > http://www.ebxml.org
> > > > http://www.legalxml.org
> > > > http://www.uddi.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: w3c-ac-members-request@w3.org
> > > > [mailto:w3c-ac-members-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Susan Lesch
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:54 PM
> > > > To: w3c-ac-members@w3.org
> > > > Cc: cmsmcq@w3.org; hugo@w3.org
> > > > Subject: Call for Review: Web Services Choreography Working
> > > > Group Proposal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Advisory Committee representative,
> > > >
> > > > This is a call for review of a proposal to modify the Web
> > > > Services Activity and create a Web Services Choreography
> > > > Working Group as part of the existing Web Services Activity.
> > > >
> > > > The charter of the proposed Working Group can be found at:
> > > >
> > > >       http://www.w3.org/2002/11/chor-proposal
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions or need further information, please
> > > > contact Hugo Haas, Web Services Activity Lead at
> > > > <hugo@w3.org>, or C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, Architecture Domain
> > > > Leader at <cmsmcq@w3.org>.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > for Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director;
> > > > Hugo Haas, W3C Web Services Activity Lead and
> > > > Susan Lesch, for the W3C Communications Team
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------
> > > > Activity Summary
> > > > ----------------
> > > >
> > > > The Web Services Activity statement is:
> > > >
> > > >       http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/Activity
> > > >
> > > > As described there, new work in the Web Services Activity is
> > > > to be started on the basis of work by the Web Services
> > > > Architecture Working Group.
> > > >
> > > > A Web Services Choreography Working Group is proposed to
> > > > address the following problem:
> > > >
> > > > |   Existing specifications for Web services describe the
indivisible
> > > > |   units of atomic interactions. It has become clear that taking
the
> > > > |   next step in the development of Web services will require the
> > > > |   ability to compose and describe the relationships between atomic
> > > > |   services. Although differing terminology is used in the
industry,
> > > > |   such as orchestration, collaboration, coordination,
conversations,
> > > > |   etc., the terms all share a common characteristic of describing
> > > > |   linkages and usage patterns between Web services. For the
purpose
> > > > |   of this document, and without prejudice, we use the term
> > > > |   choreography as a label to denote this space.
> > > > |
> > > > |  [..]
> > > > |
> > > > |   The Web Services Choreography Working Group, part of the
> > > > Web Services
> > > > |   Activity, is chartered to create the definition of a
choreography,
> > > > |   language(s) for describing a choreography, as well as the
> > > > rules for
> > > > |   composition of, and interaction among, such choreographed Web
> > > > |   services. The language(s) should build upon the
> > > > foundation of the Web
> > > > |   Service Description Language 1.2 (WSDL 1.2).
> > > >
> > > >     -- Proposal for Web Services Choreography Working Group Charter
> > > >        http://www.w3.org/2002/11/chor-proposal#scope
> > > >
> > > > In order to guarantee the broadest possible grounding for the
> > > > work of the Working Group, the first face-to-face meeting is
> > > > proposed to be in the form of an open forum with
> > > > presentations to the Working Group of relevant technologies
> > > > listed in the charter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------
> > > > Context and Motivation
> > > > ----------------------
> > > >
> > > > The Web Services Architecture Working Group has considered
> > > > choreography since the group's inception. Discussion grew as
> > > > various proposals were published and considered:
> > > >
> > > > - In February 2002, W3C received the WSCL Submission
> > > >     (http://www.w3.org/Submission/2002/02/) from Hewlett-Packard
> > > >     Company, drawing attention to the choreography area.
> > > >
> > > > - In June 2002, W3C received the WSCI Submission
> > > >     (http://www.w3.org/Submission/2002/04/) from BEA Systems,
> > > > BPMI.org,
> > > >     Commerce One, Fujitsu Limited, Intalio, IONA, Oracle
Corporation,
> > > >     SAP AG, SeeBeyond Technology Corporation and Sun Microsystems,
> > > >     asking the creation of a Web Services Choreography Working
Group.
> > > >
> > > > In response, the W3C Team asked the Web Services Architecture
> > > > Working Group to review the Submission.
> > > >
> > > > At the beginning of August 2002, another set of proposals
> > > > (BPEL4WS, WS-Coordination, WS-Transaction) was released by
> > > > BEA Systems, IBM and Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > At the Working Group's 11-13 September 2002 face-to-face
> > > > meeting, the Working Group agreed unanimously that, due to
> > > > the proliferation of proposals, work on choreography should
> > > > happen soon in a open
> > > > environment:
> > > >
> > > > |  The WSA WG is committed to the creation an open common Web
> > > > Services
> > > > | architecture where customers, developers, and IT vendors build
> > > > | solutions together--an architecture that takes the principles of
> > > > | interoperability, vendor-independence, and openness into account.
> > > > |
> > > > |  It has become clear that a critical next step in the evolution of
> > > > | Web services will be the ability to compose and describe the
> > > > | relationships between  Web services to support stateful,
> > > > long-running
> > > > | interactions. Although differing terminology is used in
> > > > the industry,
> > > > | such as orchestration, collaboration, coordination,
conversations,
> > > > | etc., the terms all share a common characteristic of  describing
> > > > | linkages and usage patterns between web services. For  this
> > > > purpose,
> > > > | and without prejudice, we use the term choreography.
> > > > |
> > > > |  The WSA WG encourages the formation of an open, industry-wide
> > > > | working group with the aim of developing interoperable and
> > > > open Web
> > > > | services standard(s) that support stateful, long-running
> > > > | interactions.
> > > >
> > > >     -- Web Services Architecture Working Group: 11-13 September 2002
> > > >        face-to-face minutes
> > > >        http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/09/f2f-minutes
> > > >
> > > > After further consideration, the Working Group decided (17 to
> > > > 1 in favor, with 8 abstentions) to request the formal
> > > > chartering of a Working Group on choreography specifically at W3C.
> > > >
> > > > The Web Services Architecture Working Group expressed the
> > > > motivation for such work:
> > > >
> > > > |   WSDL has proved very useful for describing a single service.
> > > > |   Currently complex natural language describing the
> > > > obligations of the
> > > > |   participants detailing how to use a service (sequencing, state
> > > > |   management, etc.) have to accompany a WSDL description.
> > > > The next step
> > > > |   is to partially replace these somewhat imprecise instructions
with
> > > > |   precise language. This will simplify the daunting task
> > > > companies now
> > > > |   face when trying to use web services to integrate their business
> > > > |   processes. In a B2B context such a specification could reduce
the
> > > > |   cost of integrating with new trading partners and responding to
> > > > |   changes in existing interfaces. As well, creating a
> > > > standard language
> > > > |   to describe the relationships between document exchanges will be
> > > > |   helpful to other standards bodies, such as RosettaNet or
> > > > CIDX, giving
> > > > |   them a standard infrastructure for message choreography
> > > > and enabling
> > > > |   them to focus on the core competencies relevant to their domain.
> > > >
> > > >     -- Proposal for Web Services Choreography Working Group Charter
> > > >        http://www.w3.org/2002/11/chor-proposal#scope
> > > >
> > > > The W3C Director recognizes the importance of this work for
> > > > Web services and is therefore presenting this charter for
> > > > your consideration.
> > > >
> > > > It is believed that the Web Services Architecture Working
> > > > Group has framed the work enough for experts in this area to
> > > > continue the discussion inside this new proposed W3C Working Group.
> > > >
> > > > The Web Services Architecture Working Group identified
> > > > BPEL4WS and WSCI as important inputs for the proposed work.
> > > > As per the request from the Web Services Architecture Working
> > > > Group and the Web Services Coordination Group, the W3C
> > > > Management Team has been approaching the main stakeholders in
> > > > this area to try and guarantee their participation in this
> > > > effort. While WSCI was submitted to W3C, the authors of
> > > > BPEL4WS have not made the specification available to W3C to
> > > > work on yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > Activity Structure and Resources
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > W3C will allocate 0.6 full-time equivalent engineers to the
> > > > Working Group. Yves Lafon will be the W3C Team Contact for
> > > > this Working Group. Hugo Haas will be the Alternate Team Contact.
> > > >
> > > > The W3C Team is in the process of evaluating candidates for
> > > > chairing the Web Services Choreography Working Group.
> > > > Proposals for additional candidates are welcome, and should
> > > > be sent to Michael Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@w3.org>, Yves
> > > > Lafon <ylafon@w3.org> and Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------
> > > > Intellectual Property
> > > > ---------------------
> > > >
> > > > As with all Working Groups under the Web Services Activity,
> > > > the proposed Web Services Choreography Working Group will
> > > > operate in a Royalty-Free mode, as defined in the W3C Current
> > > > Patent Practice:
> > > >
> > > >       http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-patent-practice-20020124
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > Proposed Changes to Web Services Activity
> > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > This proposal to modify the Web Services Activity
> > > >
> > > >       Web Services Activity
> > > >       http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/
> > > >
> > > > to include a Web Services Choreography Working Group follows
> > > > the guidelines of sections 3.3 and 4.2.1 of the W3C Process
Document:
> > > >
> > > > 3.3 Activity Proposals
> > > > http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process-20010719/activities.html#
> > > > BPCreation
> > > > 4.2.1 Working Group and Interest Group Creation and
> > > > Modification
> > > > http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process-20010719/groups#WGCreation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------
> > > > Review Form and Instructions
> > > > ----------------------------
> > > >
> > > > This call for review includes a call for participation.
> > > > Should the final version of the charter be significantly
> > > > different as a result of this review, the W3C Team will treat
> > > > the participation commitments as provisional.
> > > >
> > > > In the discussions about how to proceed with this work, some
> > > > Members suggested that further preparatory work should be
> > > > done before chartering the Working Group. In the response
> > > > form below, this possibility has been called out separately:
> > > > in addition to supporting the idea or being opposed to it,
> > > > you can express the view that W3C should definitely work in
> > > > this area, but that the work should be started only in a few
> > > > months, after some additional preparation work that you can specify.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Preparation. Please review the proposed charter:
> > > >
> > > >       http://www.w3.org/2002/11/chor-proposal
> > > >
> > > > 2. Deadline. Your review must be received before:
> > > >
> > > >       24:00 UTC 12 December 2002
> > > >
> > > > The Director expects to announce the results of the review
> > > > within two weeks after the deadline. The Director will keep
> > > > the Advisory Committee informed if additional time for
> > > > consideration is required.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Where to send your review.
> > > >
> > > > Replies to this proposal must be sent to:
> > > >
> > > >       team-ws-chor-review@w3.org
> > > >
> > > > The W3C Team encourages Advisory Committee representatives to
> > > > send their reply both to the review list
> > > > <team-ws-chor-review@w3.org>, which is Team-confidential, and
> > > > to the AC forum <w3c-ac-forum@w3.org>, which is
> > > > Member-readable, in order to foster discussions around this
proposal.
> > > >
> > > > FORM BEGINS
> > > >
> > > > I, ____________________ ,
> > > >
> > > > W3C Advisory Committee Representative of
> > > >
> > > >        [name of Member organization]
> > > >
> > > > available via electronic mail at:
> > > >
> > > >        [AC representative email address]
> > > >
> > > > provide the following advice as to this proposal to
> > > > modify the Web Services Activity:
> > > >
> > > > ( ) My organization agrees that W3C should proceed as proposed.
> > > >
> > > > ( ) My organization agrees that W3C should add a Web Services
> > > >        Choreography Working Group to the Web Services Activity, but
> > > >        requests the following changes:
> > > >
> > > >        (Optional) We would like the following additional preparation
> > > >        work to take place:
> > > >
> > > > ( ) My organization requests the following critical changes.
> > > >        The Working Group should not be added without these changes:
> > > >
> > > > ( ) My organization requests that W3C not change this Activity
> > > >        at all. Our reasoning is:
> > > >
> > > > By default, the disposition of reviews will show the origin
> > > > of the comments. If you want your review to be anonymized,
> > > > please check the
> > > > following:
> > > >
> > > >     [ ] My organization wishes to keep its comments anonymous.
> > > >
> > > >     Note: if you don't want your comments to be kept
> > > > anonymous, the W3C
> > > >     Team encourages you to send this review to <w3c-ac-forum@w3.org>
> > > >     also.
> > > >
> > > > Should this proposal be approved, we propose the following
> > > > participant(s) for the Web Services Choreography Working Group:
> > > >
> > > >         Participant 1:
> > > >         Given Name . . . :
> > > >         Family Name  . . :
> > > >         E-mail Address . :
> > > >         Telephone Number :
> > > >         Employer . . . . :
> > > >
> > > >         Participant 2:
> > > >         Given Name . . . :
> > > >         Family Name  . . :
> > > >         E-mail Address . :
> > > >         Telephone Number :
> > > >         Employer . . . . :
> > > >
> > > >          We understand the level of commitment as outlined in the
> > > >          Charter. We are willing to commit to this, and
> > > > support him or her
> > > >          with the requisite travel and other expenses related
> > > > to the work
> > > >          in the working group.
> > > >
> > > > Intellectual Property Rights (please choose one)
> > > >
> > > >     The definitions of Royalty-Free and reasonable and
> > > >     non-discriminatory terms below are the ones from the Current
> > > >     Patent Practice of 24 January 2002:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-patent-practice-20020124#sec-Definition
> > > >
> > > >     [ ] To the best of my personal knowledge, my organization has no
> > > >         essential patents.
> > > >
> > > >     or
> > > >
> > > >     [ ] My organization has patents that may be essential.
> > > >         List of those patents . . . . :
> > > >
> > > >         We agree to license them:
> > > >
> > > >         [ ] on Royalty-Free terms to all implementers, whether or
not
> > > >             they are Members of W3C.
> > > >
> > > >         or
> > > >
> > > >         [ ] on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms.
> > > >
> > > >         In this case, please send an email to
> > > > <patent-issues@w3.org> as
> > > >         per the W3C Process including your complete IPR declaration.
> > > >
> > > >     or
> > > >
> > > >     [ ] My organization may or may not have essential patents.
> > > >
> > > >         If we do, we agree to license them:
> > > >
> > > >         [ ] on Royalty-Free terms to all implementers, whether or
not
> > > >             they are Members of W3C.
> > > >
> > > >         or
> > > >
> > > >         [ ] on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms.
> > > >
> > > >         In this case, please send an email to
> > > > <patent-issues@w3.org> as
> > > >         per the W3C Process including your complete IPR declaration.
> > > >
> > > >     Note that each intellectual property disclosure is expected to
be
> > > >     made public with each Working Draft published by the
> > > > Working Group.
> > > >     If you would like to keep this disclosure Member-confidential,
> > > >     please check the following:
> > > >
> > > >       [ ] We wish to keep our intellectual property declaration
> > > >           Member-confidential.
> > > >
> > > > Other items to be considered by the W3C Director:
> > > >
> > > > FORM ENDS
> > > >
> > > >
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