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Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting


Bill,

I do not think I implied reasons to go forward would be automatically 
off the table.  My issue was specifically including discussion of those 
issues in an agenda of a meeting that may close the TC.  As I said, the 
issues could be considered at a later time if we decide to go forward.

thanx,
	doug

On 16-Sep-03 16:42, William Z Pope wrote:

> Doug,
> I respectfully disagree.  The issues are some of the outstanding
> items for the TC and hence one reason that the TC might want to
> go forward.  Any discussion of closing down the TC should examine
> the reasons that the TC might want to go forward as well as the
> reasons that it might not.
> 
> =bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:03 PM
> To: William Z Pope
> Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I believe it inappropriate to discuss addressing issues at the same
> meeting we work through the future existence of the group.  I would like
> to propose again, in stronger terms perhaps, that what we should discuss
> in this meeting, and vote on, is whether after such a long period of
> inactivity and after providing all our chartered deliverables it makes
> any sense for this TC to continue.
> 
> If the result is "yes" (the TC should continue its existence), then I
> would like to see a proposed schedule of future meetings, deliverables
> and how they fit into our Charter.  Future meetings could be used to
> discuss the issue list, means for addressing them and perhaps a Charter
> modification [1] if the issues to be dealt with require such.  Until
> then, I think the we must constrain ourselves to one and only one agenda
> item at the proposed meeting.  Otherwise, we may create the impression
> that suddenly, after all this time, the TC does indeed have an agenda.
> 
> thanx,
> 	doug
> 
> [1] Note that only clarifications are allowed to a Charter.  If the
> proposed deliverables are new, a new TC would need to do the work.
> 
> On 16-Sep-03 11:01, William Z Pope wrote:
> 
> 
>>The items that I have for the agenda are
>>1. Doug's proposal
>>
>>
> 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00013.ht
> 
>>ml
>>
>>Several items that may be relevant to the discussion around Doug's
> 
> proposal
> 
>>2. BTP issues
>>
>>
> 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00008.ht
> 
>>ml
>>
>>
> 
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00009.ht
> 
>>ml
>>
>>For people who are interested in attending the call, would you send me the
>>dates and times that you are available and/or unavailble.  We are looking
>>for
>>1/2 to 1 1/2 hours between September 26th and October 10th.
>>
>>Regards,
>>=bill
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Geoffrey Brown [mailto:Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:23 PM
>>To: Doug Bunting
>>Cc: zpope@pobox.com; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
>>Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
>>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>If we are to call a meeting can we establish an agenda first.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Geoff.
>>
>>Director
>>GRID Technologies
>>Advanced Technology Solutions
>>Oracle Corporation
>>
>>Doug Bunting wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bill,
>>>
>>>On our call a bit ago, you asked for my time constraints:
>>>* I prefer slots that fit into the standard Pacific time work day
>>>* all day on the 23rd works for me
>>>* Wednesday through Friday of that week, I will be participating in a
>>>face to face standards meeting (W3C Web Services Architecture WG)
>>>* if I have time it would be Friday afternoon
>>>* the 29th through 1 October, I will be participating in an internal
>>>offsite meeting.  While I may be able to pull myself out for a short
>>>teleconference, I would prefer to be settled in my office rather than on
>>>a cell phone for this meeting.
>>>* On the 2nd and 3rd, my mornings are a bit cloudy.  I may have some
>>>time available earlier in the day on Friday (the 3rd).
>>>
>>>thanx,
>>>       doug
>>>
>>>PS. I have seen your question but not yet decided how I feel about it.
>>>Will let you know.
>>>
>>>On 12-Sep-03 03:12, William Z Pope wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Doug,
>>>>Interested in hearing your motion.  That date and time work for me
>>>>though I would also prefer something earlier.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>=bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:36 PM
>>>>>To: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>Subject: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill et al,
>>>>>
>>>>>I would like to make a motion for consideration by this TC.
>>>>>As far as I
>>>>>know, such a motion must be raised during a meeting of the group and
>>>>>cannot be submitted over email.  While I would prefer to set up a
>>>>>teleconference for next week, I suspect our quorum numbers remain
>>>>>unchanged since the previous meeting and will therefore
>>>>>suggest Tuesday,
>>>>>23rd September to give as many people a chance to attend.  If
>>>>>the group
>>>>>agrees, I would be happy to host the call.
>>>>>
>>>>>To pick a time out of the air, how about 10:00 AM Pacific time?
>>>>>
>>>>>thanx,
>>>>>    doug
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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