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Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting


+1.

Mark.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>
To: <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>; "'William Z Pope'" <zpope@pobox.com>
Cc: "'Geoffrey Brown'" <Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com>;
<business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:08 AM
Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting


> All,
>
> I think the proposed meeting should have one topic on the agenda, as
> proposed by Doug i.e.
> the future of the BTP TC. Lets have that discussion, listen to views from
> all sides and make
> a decision. If the group decides to continue, we should formalise a
regular
> call schedule with an
> agreed workplan.
>
> Cheers,
>  Martin.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: William Z Pope
> > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I do not think I implied reasons to go forward would be automatically
> > off the table.  My issue was specifically including
> > discussion of those
> > issues in an agenda of a meeting that may close the TC.  As I
> > said, the
> > issues could be considered at a later time if we decide to go forward.
> >
> > thanx,
> > doug
> >
> > On 16-Sep-03 16:42, William Z Pope wrote:
> >
> > > Doug,
> > > I respectfully disagree.  The issues are some of the
> > outstanding items
> > > for the TC and hence one reason that the TC might want to
> > go forward.
> > > Any discussion of closing down the TC should examine the
> > reasons that
> > > the TC might want to go forward as well as the reasons that
> > it might
> > > not.
> > >
> > > =bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:03 PM
> > > To: William Z Pope
> > > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I believe it inappropriate to discuss addressing issues at the same
> > > meeting we work through the future existence of the group.  I would
> > > like to propose again, in stronger terms perhaps, that what
> > we should
> > > discuss in this meeting, and vote on, is whether after such a long
> > > period of inactivity and after providing all our chartered
> > > deliverables it makes any sense for this TC to continue.
> > >
> > > If the result is "yes" (the TC should continue its
> > existence), then I
> > > would like to see a proposed schedule of future meetings,
> > deliverables
> > > and how they fit into our Charter.  Future meetings could
> > be used to
> > > discuss the issue list, means for addressing them and perhaps a
> > > Charter modification [1] if the issues to be dealt with
> > require such.
> > > Until then, I think the we must constrain ourselves to one and only
> > > one agenda item at the proposed meeting.  Otherwise, we may
> > create the
> > > impression that suddenly, after all this time, the TC does
> > indeed have
> > > an agenda.
> > >
> > > thanx,
> > > doug
> > >
> > > [1] Note that only clarifications are allowed to a Charter.  If the
> > > proposed deliverables are new, a new TC would need to do the work.
> > >
> > > On 16-Sep-03 11:01, William Z Pope wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>The items that I have for the agenda are
> > >>1. Doug's proposal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > 013.ht
> > >
> > >>ml
> > >>
> > >>Several items that may be relevant to the discussion around Doug's
> > >
> > > proposal
> > >
> > >>2. BTP issues
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > 008.ht
> > >
> > >>ml
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > 009.ht
> > >
> > >>ml
> > >>
> > >>For people who are interested in attending the call, would
> > you send me
> > >>the dates and times that you are available and/or
> > unavailble.  We are
> > >>looking for 1/2 to 1 1/2 hours between September 26th and October
> > >>10th.
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>=bill
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Geoffrey Brown [mailto:Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com]
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:23 PM
> > >>To: Doug Bunting
> > >>Cc: zpope@pobox.com; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >>Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Folks,
> > >>
> > >>If we are to call a meeting can we establish an agenda first.
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>Geoff.
> > >>
> > >>Director
> > >>GRID Technologies
> > >>Advanced Technology Solutions
> > >>Oracle Corporation
> > >>
> > >>Doug Bunting wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Bill,
> > >>>
> > >>>On our call a bit ago, you asked for my time constraints:
> > >>>* I prefer slots that fit into the standard Pacific time work day
> > >>>* all day on the 23rd works for me
> > >>>* Wednesday through Friday of that week, I will be
> > participating in a
> > >>>face to face standards meeting (W3C Web Services Architecture WG)
> > >>>* if I have time it would be Friday afternoon
> > >>>* the 29th through 1 October, I will be participating in
> > an internal
> > >>>offsite meeting.  While I may be able to pull myself out
> > for a short
> > >>>teleconference, I would prefer to be settled in my office
> > rather than
> > >>>on a cell phone for this meeting.
> > >>>* On the 2nd and 3rd, my mornings are a bit cloudy.  I may
> > have some
> > >>>time available earlier in the day on Friday (the 3rd).
> > >>>
> > >>>thanx,
> > >>>       doug
> > >>>
> > >>>PS. I have seen your question but not yet decided how I feel about
> > >>>it. Will let you know.
> > >>>
> > >>>On 12-Sep-03 03:12, William Z Pope wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Doug,
> > >>>>Interested in hearing your motion.  That date and time
> > work for me
> > >>>>though I would also prefer something earlier.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Regards,
> > >>>>=bill
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:36 PM
> > >>>>>To: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >>>>>Subject: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Bill et al,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I would like to make a motion for consideration by this
> > TC. As far
> > >>>>>as I know, such a motion must be raised during a meeting of the
> > >>>>>group and cannot be submitted over email.  While I would
> > prefer to
> > >>>>>set up a teleconference for next week, I suspect our
> > quorum numbers
> > >>>>>remain unchanged since the previous meeting and will therefore
> > >>>>>suggest Tuesday,
> > >>>>>23rd September to give as many people a chance to attend.  If
> > >>>>>the group
> > >>>>>agrees, I would be happy to host the call.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>To pick a time out of the air, how about 10:00 AM Pacific time?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>thanx,
> > >>>>>    doug
> > >>>>>
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