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Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting


I have completely lost track of when we are meeting. Can this be confirmed
please.

Martin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: William Z Pope; Martin Chapman; Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM
> Cc: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org; Geoff Brown
> Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> 
> 
> Yes, it's probably just wording.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> >
> > I think we're only disagreeing about form.  If the TC 
> agrees to close 
> > than it's done.  The only valid motion is to adjourn, and 
> that might 
> > not even be necessary.
> >
> > =bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: William Z Pope; Martin Chapman; Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM
> > Cc: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> >
> >
> > The point is that if we as a committee agree to close the 
> TC, what's 
> > the point of anything else on the agenda? So it seems to me that 
> > scheduling anything else on the agenda is premature. Now, 
> if you want 
> > to say
> something
> > like "items X, Y and Z are on the agenda only in the event that we 
> > don't close the TC", I think I'm happy with that. But if we are 
> > required to
> visit
> > X, Y and Z regardless it does seem pointless.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Z Pope" <zpope@pobox.com>
> > To: "Mark Little" <mark.little@arjuna.com>; "Martin Chapman" 
> > <martin.chapman@oracle.com>; <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>
> > Cc: <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> >
> >
> > >
> > > We have on the agenda a proposal to close the TC.  I 
> don't believe 
> > > that I, nor any other member of the TC, can prohibit 
> other members 
> > > of the TC from putting items to the agenda.
> > >
> > > =bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:55 AM
> > > To: Martin Chapman; Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM; 'William Z Pope'
> > > Cc: 'Geoffrey Brown'; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>
> > > To: <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>; "'William Z Pope'" <zpope@pobox.com>
> > > Cc: "'Geoffrey Brown'" <Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com>; 
> > > <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:08 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I think the proposed meeting should have one topic on 
> the agenda, 
> > > > as proposed by Doug i.e. the future of the BTP TC. Lets 
> have that 
> > > > discussion, listen to views
> > from
> > > > all sides and make
> > > > a decision. If the group decides to continue, we should 
> formalise 
> > > > a
> > > regular
> > > > call schedule with an
> > > > agreed workplan.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >  Martin.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:52 PM
> > > > > To: William Z Pope
> > > > > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not think I implied reasons to go forward would be
> automatically
> > > > > off the table.  My issue was specifically including 
> discussion 
> > > > > of those issues in an agenda of a meeting that may 
> close the TC.  
> > > > > As I said, the
> > > > > issues could be considered at a later time if we decide to go
> forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx,
> > > > > doug
> > > > >
> > > > > On 16-Sep-03 16:42, William Z Pope wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Doug,
> > > > > > I respectfully disagree.  The issues are some of the
> > > > > outstanding items
> > > > > > for the TC and hence one reason that the TC might want to
> > > > > go forward.
> > > > > > Any discussion of closing down the TC should examine the
> > > > > reasons that
> > > > > > the TC might want to go forward as well as the reasons that
> > > > > it might
> > > > > > not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:03 PM
> > > > > > To: William Z Pope
> > > > > > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; 
> business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe it inappropriate to discuss addressing 
> issues at the
> same
> > > > > > meeting we work through the future existence of the 
> group.  I
> would
> > > > > > like to propose again, in stronger terms perhaps, that what
> > > > > we should
> > > > > > discuss in this meeting, and vote on, is whether 
> after such a 
> > > > > > long period of inactivity and after providing all our 
> > > > > > chartered deliverables it makes any sense for this TC to 
> > > > > > continue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the result is "yes" (the TC should continue its
> > > > > existence), then I
> > > > > > would like to see a proposed schedule of future meetings,
> > > > > deliverables
> > > > > > and how they fit into our Charter.  Future meetings could
> > > > > be used to
> > > > > > discuss the issue list, means for addressing them 
> and perhaps 
> > > > > > a Charter modification [1] if the issues to be dealt with
> > > > > require such.
> > > > > > Until then, I think the we must constrain ourselves 
> to one and
> only
> > > > > > one agenda item at the proposed meeting.  Otherwise, we may
> > > > > create the
> > > > > > impression that suddenly, after all this time, the TC does
> > > > > indeed have
> > > > > > an agenda.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanx,
> > > > > > doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] Note that only clarifications are allowed to a 
> Charter.  
> > > > > > If
> the
> > > > > > proposed deliverables are new, a new TC would need 
> to do the 
> > > > > > work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 16-Sep-03 11:01, William Z Pope wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The items that I have for the agenda are
> > > > > >>1. Doug's proposal
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > > > > 013.ht
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>ml
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Several items that may be relevant to the discussion around 
> > > > > >>Doug's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > proposal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>2. BTP issues
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > > > > 008.ht
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>ml
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00
> > > > > > 009.ht
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>ml
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>For people who are interested in attending the call, would
> > > > > you send me
> > > > > >>the dates and times that you are available and/or
> > > > > unavailble.  We are
> > > > > >>looking for 1/2 to 1 1/2 hours between September 26th and 
> > > > > >>October 10th.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Regards,
> > > > > >>=bill
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>From: Geoffrey Brown [mailto:Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com]
> > > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:23 PM
> > > > > >>To: Doug Bunting
> > > > > >>Cc: zpope@pobox.com; 
> business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Folks,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>If we are to call a meeting can we establish an 
> agenda first.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Thanks,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Geoff.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Director
> > > > > >>GRID Technologies
> > > > > >>Advanced Technology Solutions
> > > > > >>Oracle Corporation
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Doug Bunting wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Bill,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>On our call a bit ago, you asked for my time constraints:
> > > > > >>>* I prefer slots that fit into the standard 
> Pacific time work 
> > > > > >>>day
> > > > > >>>* all day on the 23rd works for me
> > > > > >>>* Wednesday through Friday of that week, I will be
> > > > > participating in a
> > > > > >>>face to face standards meeting (W3C Web Services 
> Architecture 
> > > > > >>>WG)
> > > > > >>>* if I have time it would be Friday afternoon
> > > > > >>>* the 29th through 1 October, I will be participating in
> > > > > an internal
> > > > > >>>offsite meeting.  While I may be able to pull myself out
> > > > > for a short
> > > > > >>>teleconference, I would prefer to be settled in my office
> > > > > rather than
> > > > > >>>on a cell phone for this meeting.
> > > > > >>>* On the 2nd and 3rd, my mornings are a bit cloudy.  I may
> > > > > have some
> > > > > >>>time available earlier in the day on Friday (the 3rd).
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>thanx,
> > > > > >>>       doug
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>PS. I have seen your question but not yet decided 
> how I feel
> about
> > > > > >>>it. Will let you know.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>On 12-Sep-03 03:12, William Z Pope wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>Doug,
> > > > > >>>>Interested in hearing your motion.  That date and time
> > > > > work for me
> > > > > >>>>though I would also prefer something earlier.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>Regards,
> > > > > >>>>=bill
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>>>>From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM]
> > > > > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:36 PM
> > > > > >>>>>To: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > > > >>>>>Subject: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>Bill et al,
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>I would like to make a motion for consideration by this
> > > > > TC. As far
> > > > > >>>>>as I know, such a motion must be raised during a 
> meeting of 
> > > > > >>>>>the group and cannot be submitted over email.  While I 
> > > > > >>>>>would
> > > > > prefer to
> > > > > >>>>>set up a teleconference for next week, I suspect our
> > > > > quorum numbers
> > > > > >>>>>remain unchanged since the previous meeting and will 
> > > > > >>>>>therefore suggest Tuesday, 23rd September to 
> give as many 
> > > > > >>>>>people a chance to attend.  If the group
> > > > > >>>>>agrees, I would be happy to host the call.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>To pick a time out of the air, how about 10:00 
> AM Pacific 
> > > > > >>>>>time?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>thanx,
> > > > > >>>>>    doug
> > > > > >>>>>
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