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Subject: RE: [egov] XML Schema Design and Management Guide for Hong Kong SAR Government
John, Thanks for the encouragement here, I know only too well the effects of being spread thin! I'd be happy to liaise between our groups here, and I've CC'd my CAM team here as way of including your note and docs. My very first job in IT (back then it was DP!) was working on an electoral roll for Kingston and Sutton Borough council, so the EML paper brings back memories. Right now the rendering part of the CAM spec's is a developing story; I'm expecting with our work with UPU/CIQ, and now we can also look at EML, that for the CAM revision 0.15 we'll have some strong features here to address the need to output to multiple specific formats. The EML paper uses Tony Blair of course, but much more tricky is members of the Royal Family, as their names are long, complex, titled, and need to be rendered exactly on the electoral roll. We can also discuss a possible F2F meeting in October, as I will be in London for the DAMA conference, 27-29th. Your other document on guidelines for schema is more of a challenge and would take more time to address specific items directly. My initial thoughts on a quick scan thru is two possible additions, one showing how CAM can augment the existing approach, and another showing how CAM can be used to capture not just the business rules and localization but also to create re-usable XML structure components. I look forward to collaborating between our teams on these items. As you note in your email - its vital for us to have real-world requirements to enhance and validate the CAM work and we appreciate your inputs. Thanks, DW. -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk, INTERNET:john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk To: [unknown], Gnosis_ Date: 7/18/2003 10:13 AM RE: RE: [egov] XML Schema Design and Management Guide for Hong Kong SAR Government David As you'll see from exchanges below, we feel that the work of you CAM TC may impact our current guidance on XML schemas. Attached for your information are our Guidelines and a document relating to localisation that we produced as part of our work on e-voting standards within the E&VS TC. Paul Spencer was the author of both and I'm sure he would welcome any comments. I don't think we can spare the time to join your TC, given everything else we're doing here with OASIS, but this is an area that's of great interest to us and I'm sure other governments. Would you be happy for government input to the CAM TC to come via a liaison person, ie you, from the e-gov TC? It's all about spreading thin resources around to maximum effect. Regards, John ----- Forwarded by John Borras/e-Envoy/CabinetOffice on 18/07/2003 14:45 ----- "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk> 17/07/2003 12:15 To: <john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk>, <Adrian.Kent@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk> cc: Subject: RE: [egov] XML Schema Design and Management Guide for Hong Kong SAR Government John, This definitely affects what we have done for localization. As a minimum, we should send David our localization paper as an input. I think we should go further than this, and take an active part in this committee. Regards Paul -----Original Message----- From: john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk [mailto:john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk] Sent: 17 July 2003 08:01 To: paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk; Adrian.Kent@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk Subject: Re: [egov] XML Schema Design and Management Guide for Hong Kong SAR Government Guys Will the output from the CAM TC have an impact on our approach to schemas? John ----- Forwarded by John Borras/e-Envoy/CabinetOffice on 17/07/2003 07:59 ----- David RR Webber - XML ebusiness <Gnosis_@compuserve.com> 16/07/2003 21:59 To: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> cc: "Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov" <Diane.Lewis@usdoj.gov>, "'ytlee@cecid.hku.hk'" <ytlee@cecid.hku.hk>, "'egov@lists.oasis-open.org'" <egov@lists.oasis-open.org>, "'john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk'" <john.borras@e-envoy.gsi.gov.uk> Subject: Re: [egov] XML Schema Design and Management Guide for Hong Kong SAR Government Joe / Thomas, I just reviewed same. While the work is extensive - I would caution that part of the methods detailed are based on the premise that if you create a W3C Schema XSD definition that you have created information interoperability. Particularly the step of converting the business data analysis into schema code is an issue. Unfortunately schema is not designed to be able to do business context driven assembly and to capture the breadth of rules needed. Associative content models are not supported, nor is code values and versioning, to mention just some. In the limited case if two government departments are using a small mandatory schema definition for a constant piece of information exchange - then in this subset - its OK. However then the method documented becomes a sledgehammer to crack a nut. If you are doing government wide exchanges of multi-faceted information - you simply will not be able to manage that level of needs as described in the method documented. As I mentioned earlier - this is what OASIS CAM will solve for you - being able to do context driven assembly and in-depth support for metadata and registries via the UID mechanism. Add this this webservice and BPM integration too. By way of example - consider addresses. I would hazard a guess that the HK gov needs to send mail to Singapore, Japan, Korea, China (ML) and Korea. How would you build a context driven structure definition to solve this, based on country and delivery method and address type (yes there are typically five address types per country)? How can you also do lookups from a schema parser to check that the postcode is not only the right pattern - but that the postcode is actually valid for that country? The OASIS CAM team is solving this right now building templates that match the UPU addressing rules. The template will then allow a pluggable sub-assembly into an XML structure that will provide mapping to local address formats as a truely re-usable definition set - context driven. That's just one example. Thanks, DW. Chair OASIS CAM TC. ============================================= Message text written by "Chiusano Joseph" > I reviewed these documents and I am highly impressed with their depth, clarity, and accuracy. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano < PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. 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