RE: Drools and CAM

["David RR Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>]

Mark,

 

We'll see who it goes.  My time is extremely short this week - will attend to the PPT first.  Maybe some of the other folks on the list may want to hop over for a chat....

 

Thanks, DW

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re:
> Drools and CAM
> From: Mark Proctor
> <mproctor@codehaus.org>
> Date: Sun, January 01, 2006 10:38
> pm
> To: "David Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
> Cc:
> TANVEER_ASHIQUE@bah.com, CAM TC <cam@lists.oasis-open.org>,
> Martin
> Roberts <martin.me.roberts@bt.com>
>
> IRC isn't a
> list it's a live chat room where you can talk to me and the other
> developers - no need to subscribe, just pop in and have a chat
> :)
>
> Mark
> David Webber (XML) wrote: 
> > Mark,
> >
> > Your PPT is a great introduction to the world of rule engines and
> > methods.
> >
> > My own background is heavily Prolog - for 15 years.  I missed seeing
> > constraint based solutioning - but I guess DROOLS has to leave
> > somethings to
> > those old purpose built engines!  And besides DROOLS could always
> > collaborate with a Prolog engine as a close cousin.... ; -)
> >
> > On to CAM and DROOLS.  I have some PPT slides I will share during the
> > week
> > once I've cleaned them up for external perusal.
> >
> > Basically the notion is to use the mechanisms in CAM - that is
> > essentially a
> > domain expert agent in XML structures and metadata - and provide an
> > interface directly in CAM to DROOLS and back again.  Then we're adding
> > the
> > ability to persist to SQL databases in CAM directly from the XML source
> > -
> > using simple XML syntax based assignment instructions.
> >
> > This should allow people who are not DROOLS experts - to create a
> > business-centric solution that quickly handles basic ebusiness
> > transactions - while allowing extended rules to be layered into this -
> > by
> > software staff - that handle decreet rules and tests that are beyond the
> > scope of the base CAM function set.
> >
> > This gives people the best of both worlds - a purpose built business XML
> > expert agent - coupled to the extensible DROOLS engine.
> >
> > Your snippet of DROOLS V3 shows that this is all heading in the right
> > direction.
> >
> > We've been experimenting with:
> >  <as:includeScript location="{url/my.drl}"/>
> > and
> > <as:executeScript name="{name.drl}" parm="\\xpath\locator\*"/>
> >
> > as a first pass to provide linkage between the two.
> >
> > I am definately interested in discussing this with the DROOLS community
> > -
> > where CAM can provide a pluggable XML handler toolkit for DROOLS users?
> >
> > Beyond all this - DROOLS also looks like a good means to implement a
> > state
> > machine for BPSS (and JBOSS driven BPM) as envisioned in our BCM
> > architecture work - but we'll solve one problem at a time here!
> >
> > I'm a bit allergic to signing up for IRC lists - my daily bandwidth is
> > severally constrained already - but we can definately look at sharing
> > some
> > collaboration resources - possibly a wiki area - where ideas and test
> > components can be posted..?
> >
> > Thanks, DW
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mark Proctor" <mproctor@codehaus.org>
> > To: <david@drrw.info>; <TANVEER_ASHIQUE@bah.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 2:24 PM
> > Subject: Drools and CAM
> >
> >
> > > David, Tanveer,
> > >
> > > GoogleAlert brought your postings to my attention. We have big plans for
> > > Drools 3.0, which will be available at the end of Q1 - see the slides at
> > http://drools.org/download/attachments/20545/Business+Rules+Engines.ppt?version=1
> > > for more details.
> > >
> > > In the mean time if there is anything more we can do to assist or you
> > > just want a general chat, we are always on the irc server #drools at
> > > irc.codehaus.org - we provide a web gateway at http://irc.codehaus.org
> > > if you do not want to install an IRC client.
> > >
> > > Mark