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Subject: Re: [camp-comment] 1.8 Normative References, YAML 1.1
Patrick, Since this issue is different in nature from your previous comments on normative references, I have created a separate Jira issue to track it: CAMP-86. ~ gp On 9/4/2013 2:37 PM, Patrick Durusau
wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings! I noticed the *normative* reference to YAML under 1.8 Normative References. Not being familiar with it, I followed the link. - From "Status of this Document" I read: ***** This specification is a draft reflecting consensus reached by members of the yaml-core mailing list. Any questions regarding this draft should be raised on this list. We expect all further changes to be strictly limited to wording corrections and fixing production bugs. ***** So the YAML normative reference is to a draft dated 2005-01-18, that reflects a "consensus" of members of a mailing list. Is that a fair characterization? There is no formal organization charged with its maintenance and no known process other than email "consensus" as far as any changes? As I said in a post earlier today: ********** First, draft work should never be used in normative references at all. Under any circumstances. As the TC Process notes (Section 1, w:): ***** "Normative Reference" means a reference in a Standards Track Work Product to an external document or resource with which the implementer must comply, in order to comply with a Normative Portion of the Work Product. ***** Note the "must comply" language. Drafts by their very nature change and reliance on a draft invites a lack of interoperability. ********** - From examining the draft it is clear that conformance to YAML, a mailing list consensus draft, is critical for use of this standard. The only solution that comes to mind, given that YAML states it can be copied if not modified, would be to include a copy of YAML 1.1 as an appendix and cite that appendix as your normative reference. That fixes the text of YAML 1.1 to be what is included in the appendix and provides implementers with a stable target for their implementations. If YAML has not been modifed since its "final draft" date of 2005-01-18, it should be stable enough to not burden the TC with too many maintenance duties. Hope everyone is having a great day! Patrick - -- Patrick Durusau patrick@durusau.net Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) Former Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net Homepage: http://www.durusau.net Twitter: patrickDurusau -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSJ6f6AAoJEAudyeI2QFGo8+0QAJytpIRogiI5JJLfv1yO92Zg s2DRZtH7TSCfStcfX1vhN+EIYvq4IDwiteHotSvQ+Ao1S/m6CQfVHGq14XlmyTcS SfBhN5d3zuuef7Y0qGKFwJQ5CEEa1bRkYGCETA6QGILot17+rpK/o5kzT/z2Hkbe /GKDWSX6aeE1OUPv5DKZTqnXdTOiLYm/ksGlPLvAk3RmtZzHh2B/iREmddsXSfwd ub6i4sC+/E748DjG1CxM8MkqzwtAcUdJ9HQfb/b25CRPVSNmJwf0mzk5j5QIkH2+ YG0sRflWWULf9FmxpKJ2CMrahULxqbU4yarGEWRExWKC1dQkH1PxHt6rUimV4xTf KiXTAmfmkBPMGJ/WoWNWXaMt7uhyhIeI34Z1SHxFN3b1df+WSn/k/H7Kco2VnNFt TaOWgxmso9ORRDvWaZK61PPA+V8+c97U6oY7zXRgGJwqnELEeADrfY8pIOGbP6Yu KSck1A6n0uXbOngQRGr6wm4J/wGvtwXf2ThOHryU4psRwFAwePHJEhDgSlLGx24C pJRzCO81ImARroQAKaFb8tcWKMehqRU2oL0YyCt1NOe2/kz3QAvFrTMoDP3QqSsF jWIb1+DicfTLXsNz40N7gI1saECRkQT3udJMwY28HAQaRfOScF5ABACYux/+FOC5 gbFfwvqY5fRofpzcCDp8 =u2YS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- This publicly archived list offers a means to provide input to the OASIS Cloud Application Management for Platforms (CAMP) TC. In order to verify user consent to the Feedback License terms and to minimize spam in the list archive, subscription is required before posting. Subscribe: camp-comment-subscribe@lists.oasis-open.org Unsubscribe: camp-comment-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org List help: camp-comment-help@lists.oasis-open.org List archive: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/camp-comment/ Feedback License: http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ipr/feedback_license.pdf List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php Committee: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/camp Join OASIS: http://www.oasis-open.org/join/ |
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