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Subject: [camp] Chat Transcript - 2012-11-29 conf call


Title: [camp] Chat Transcript - 2012-11-29 conf call

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Agenda

Intro:

  Scribe appointment: call for volunteers starting from top of the list [1]

  Roll Call

  Agenda approval

 

Minutes:

 

   6  8th November 2012 F2F Minutes: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201211/msg00073.html

  14th November: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201211/msg00149.html

 

Action Items:

 

  ACTION-20121108-0: Martin Chapman to request a specification template from the TC admin

 

Administrivia:

  2nd F2F update

 

New Issues:

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-29: Application Component" and "Platform Component" should be collapsed into a single "Component"...

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-30: Parameter Scheme

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-31: State change mechanism is unclear 

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-32: CAMP needs to say something about the serialization of null attribute values and empty arrays

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-33: Time zones and timestamps

Issue Discussion:

 

    http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-24: Assembly Template and Assembly trees should be analogous

   http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-5: Suggest to simplify {Application,Platform} Component {Requirements,Capability}

    ** http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-29: Application Component" and "Platform Component" should be collapsed into a single "Component"...

    ** assuming it gets open


  http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-13:  Media Type "type" argument not compatible with Python request parsers

 

AOB:  

[1] Scribe rotation:

 

Behrens, Michael

Byreddy, Bhaskar Reddy

Durand, Jacques

Grange, Keith

Heneveld, Alex

Jilk, David

Johnston-Watt, Duncan

Karmarkar, Anish

Luster, Eugene

Malhotra, Ashok

Miller, Rich

Rutt, Tom

Tupitza, Charles

Mischkinsky, Jeff (1)

Yendluri, Prasad (1)

Kunze, Tobias (1)

Song, Zhexuan (1)

Jilk, David (1)

Otto, Adrian (1)

Pilz, Gilbert (1)

Carlson, Mark (1)

[23:35] anonymous morphed into Michael Behrens

[23:36] anonymous morphed into anish

[23:37] Michael Behrens: FYI: I do not have webex access today, can someone else be the scribe please?

[23:39] Gil: people should start any comments with "this is . . ."

[23:39] Gil: that's just rude

[23:40] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) morphed into Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe

[23:41] MartinC: Meeting is quorate 14 of 20

[23:41] Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): my webex shows nothing being shared

[23:42] MartinC: Agenda: add discussion on editors

[23:42] MartinC: agenda adopted

[23:42] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: motion for adopting the agenda passed

[23:43] MartinC: Minutes:

[23:43] MartinC: 6  8th November 2012 F2F Minutes: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201211/msg00073.html

[23:44] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jeff approved F2F minutes

[23:44] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: second Adirian

[23:45] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: F2F minutes adopted

[23:45] jeffm: m: jeff s:adrian Approve f2f minutes as distributed

[23:45] MartinC: 14th November: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201211/msg00149.html

[23:46] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jeff moved a motion to adopt 14th November minutes

[23:46] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gershon seconds

[23:47] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian as a secretory is a voting member

[23:47] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: 14th November minutes adopted

[23:48] jeffm: Motion: m:jeff To create an editing team of Anish, Jacques and Adrian

[23:49] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jeff moved a motion to create an editing team of Anish, Jacques and Adrian

[23:51] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: second: Tom Rutt

[23:52] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Tom: everyone can provide comments to the editing team

[23:54] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: do we have a kickoff meeting for editing team

[23:55] Jacques (Fujitsu): editor(s) expected to be a little more proactive w/r to TA - e.g. propose content to be TC-approved , not just wait for TC to draft test assertions.

[23:56] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objection; motion passed

[23:57] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Editing team: Anish, Jacques and Adrian

[23:57] Jacques (Fujitsu): am neutral about the source format.

[23:59] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: source format will have to be discussed by the editing team and decided

[23:59] MartinC: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-29: Application Component" and "Platform Component" should be collapsed into a single "Component"...

[0:01] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Martin: How this issue related to CAMP-5 ?

[0:01] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: CAMP-29 is about application and application component capabilities

[0:02] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Martin: any questions?

[0:02] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gil: moves to open CAMP-29

[0:02] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: Second

[0:03] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objections; CAMP-29 open

[0:03] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-30: Parameter Scheme

[0:04] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Ashok: passin parameters to customize the runtime application?

[0:05] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: potentially yes

[0:05] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: motion to open CAMP-30

[0:06] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jeff: seconds

[0:06] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objections; CAMP-30 is open

[0:06] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-31: State change mechanism is unclear

[0:11] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Tom: need to discuss about the triggers for the state transitions

[0:14] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: it is going to difficult to close this issue without defining the extensibility model

[0:16] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jacques: create a separate issue for describing extensibility model

[0:17] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Jeff: motion to open CAMP-31

[0:17] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Tom: Seconds

[0:18] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objections; CAMP-31 is open

[0:19] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-32: CAMP needs to say something about the serialization of null attribute values and empty arrays

[0:19] Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-28 is the lifecycle model extension issue

[0:20] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-32: CAMP needs to say something about the serialization of null attribute values and empty arrays

[0:22] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gil moves to open CAMP-32

[0:22] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: seconds

[0:22] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objections; CAMP-32 is open

[0:22] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-33: Time zones and timestamps

[0:24] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Tobias: moves to open CAMP-33

[0:24] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Anish: seconds

[0:25] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: on objections; CAMP-33 opened

[0:27] MartinC: Issue Discussion:

 

    http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-24: Assembly Template and Assembly trees should be analogous

[0:29] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gil: presenting changed Assembly Template and Assembly Component Templates

[0:32] MartinC: we could use UML!

[0:32] Jacques (Fujitsu): +1 to UML (you get cardinality)

[0:40] Michael Behrens: +1 to UML

[0:43] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Discussion on the cardinality of the links; some of the issues are fixed as part of CAMP-24

[0:45] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gil: moves to adopt his proposal (doc dated Nov 2 Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) as resolution for CAMP-24

[0:45] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: includes the cardinality fixes

[0:46] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Adrian: seconds

[0:46] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: no objections; motion carried

[0:46] Gil: yeah!

[0:46] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-5: Suggest to simplify {Application,Platform} Component {Requirements,Capability}

[0:48] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Gil: no concrete proposal; no discussion now

[0:48] anonymous morphed into Martin2

[0:48] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-29: Application Component" and "Platform Component" should be collapsed into a single "Component"...

[0:50] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: continue discussions in Jira

[0:50] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-13:  Media Type "type" argument not compatible with Python request parsers

[0:54] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: each request to have a type attribute; not use Media Type

[1:01] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: CAMP-13 is close to resolution; need to re-vist

[1:01] Bhaskar Reddy (Software AG) Scribe: Meeting adjourned



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