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Subject: Draft Minutes 20th March 2013
Meeting Minutes 20th March 2013 Attendees: Rackspace Hosting, Inc. Roshan Agrawal Voting Member Software AG, Inc. Bhaskar Reddy Byreddy Voting Member Oracle Mark Carlson Voting Member Oracle Martin Chapman Chair Fujitsu Limited Jacques Durand Voting Member Cloud4SOA Panagiotis Gouvas Member Cloudsoft Corporation Limited Alex Heneveld Voting Member Individual Gershon Janssen Voting Member Oracle Anish Karmarkar Voting Member Oracle Ashok Malhotra Voting Member Rackspace Hosting, Inc. Adrian Otto Secretary Oracle Gilbert Pilz Voting Member Red Hat Krishna Raman Voting Member Fujitsu Limited Tom Rutt Voting Member JumpSoft Charles Tupitza Voting Member Software AG, Inc. Prasad Yendluri Voting Member Intro: Scribe appointment: Gil assumes scribe duties Agenda: approved as posted Minutes: 13th March 2013: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201303/msg00040.html Motion: move to adopt minutes of 2013-03-13; Gil moved, Ashok seconds RESOLUTION: motion to approve minutes passes Administrivia: April face to face meeting Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): i will attend reminder also to register for OASIS20 Anish Karmarkar (Oracle) the editors need to get their act together and bring something forward wrt conformance, 2119 etc Prasad: Is dial-in still possible? Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): @prasad yes Prasad: To the F2F .. Some of us might show-up in person if dial-in is an issue.. Editing Team Update: CSD02 published - good to tweet about. WD08 available: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/48594/camp-spec-v1.1-wd08.doc New Issues: None Issue Discussion: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-21 Clarify whether App Developers/Admins can assume what the Assembly template tree looks like until post-deploy Gil discusses the issue. Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): perhaps better phrased as: as far as CAMP spec goes, there is no requirement that the PDP will impose any restriction on how the Platform 'componentizes' the app Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): that is to say: someone may come along and impose additional restriction for specific platforms or type of platforms (java/ruby/whatever). But in CAMP there is none Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): The importance of PDP is portability Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): * if platform can't fulfill the instructions/requirements in a PDP then it should fail. however some instructions may indicate optional activities (such as ... through an extension) and in that case the PDP would not need to fail. Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): +1 to requirements for portability Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): * to maximise portability, it is recommended to use portable requirements as much as possible, rather than imperative instructions Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): SEPARATE: do we have a way to indicate how requirements have been fulfilled, in an Assembly or {App,Platform}Component ... ? that seems useful. Adrian> presents slide deck on "PDP Questions" Mark Carlson (Oracle): Would two "java" platforms that both use J2EE look similar from the aspect of having the same set of Platform Components, and thus the imperative, specific model would ensure portability? ... probably, but we can't say anything about that in our spec ... from a practical perspective we don't have the time to go into Java EE, Java Spring, Ruby Rails, etc. Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): it may have the same set of platform components, but the way they organize the components (in terms of relative URIs) may be difference ... from a charter perspective, we're not allowed to go into those areas Mark Carlson (Oracle): Whereas if we wanted to move a Java app from say J2EE to Cloud Foundry, you would need to use the more declarative model to get portability Mark Carlson (Oracle): Just using these as examples of what we need to address MartinC: we have wandered into CAMP-4: so i think the best thing to do is just link camp-21 to 4 Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): good points. 2 scenarios which show imperative can't be avoided for a long time: deploying wordpress (yech) you often need to run some PHP on the ....server to optimize it; whenever cloudformation does something more interesting than a canned AMI, it refers to bash/puppet/chef Motion: close CAMP-21 as a duplicate of CAMP-4; Alex moved; Adrian seconds RESOLUTION: motion passes by UC https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-30 Parameter Scheme Adrian presents his updated proposal (working version that has not posted) Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): sorry -- phone cut out. makes sense @Gil and @Adrian that this can be on any instantiable template Anish Karmarkar (Oracle): i think solving it just for name/param/tags is a bandaid General feeling that the proposal is heading in the right direction and is close to being resolved. AOB: Straggler roll: Bhaskar MEETING ADJOURNED
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