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Subject: RE: [camp] Draft Minutes 2013-05-29


Correction to the minutes: New Issue Topic should be CAMP-67 not CAMP-17

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adrian Otto [mailto:adrian.otto@rackspace.com]
>Sent: 04 June 2013 22:14
>To: camp@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: [camp] Draft Minutes 2013-05-29
>
>
>Minutes 29nd May 2013
>
>Attendees:
>
>US Department of Defense (DoD)  Behrens, Michael  Voting Member
>Oracle                          Carlson, Mark     Voting Member
>Fujitsu Limited                 Durand, Jacques   Voting Member
>Oracle                          Malhotra, Ashok   Voting Member
>Rackspace Hosting, Inc.         Otto, Adrian      Secretary
>Oracle Pilz,                    Gilbert           Voting Member
>Red Hat Raman,                  Krishna           Voting Member
>Fujitsu Limited                 Rutt, Tom         Voting Member
>Software AG, Inc.               Yendluri, Prasad  Voting Member
>
>Summary:
>
>	CAMP-67 Opened
>	CAMP-67 To be added to issue discussion for 2013-06-05 meeting
>agenda
>	CAMP-67 To be added to issue discussion for 2013-06-05 meeting
>agenda
>	Action Item: Adrian Otto to review whether the Map type is used by
>resolution to CAMP-30
>	Action Item: Adrian Otto to draft WD11 this week to apply remaining
>resolved issues
>
>Intro:
>
>    Jacques Durand assumes scribe duty
>    ROLL CALL: Attendees listed above, Voting Members: 9 of 15 (60%), meeting
>is quorate.
>
>TOPIC: Agenda
>
>	Adrian: Requests suggestions for agenda
>
>	Adrian: Agenda:
>		Prior Meeting's Minutes: https://www.oasis-
>open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201305/msg00065.html
>		Editors Update
>		New Issue: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-67
>		Topic: Use of Map Type
>		Topic: Timing of CAMP-17 (Redraw Figures) Resolution
>
>	Adrian: any objections to approving agenda? Agenda Approved.
>	scribe: Agenda above approved.
>
>TOPIC: Minutes from May 29th, 2013
>
>	scribe: MOTION (Mike B.): minutes for May 22
>	scribe: ... to be approved (2nd Tom R.)
>	scribe: ... approved UNAN
>
>TOPIC: New Issue CAMP-17: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-
>17
>
>	scribe: Gil presents
>
>	scribe: Gil: instantiation of AssemblyTemplate requires that
>"Requirements" be satisfied. But no indication that reqs have been satisfied, in
>our Resource model
>
>	scribe: Tom: a legitimate issue
>
>	scribe: MikeB: Resource status vs template status? Querying the
>AssemblyTemplate for its "instantiability"?
>
>	scribe: MikeB: attribute or method (interms of API)
>
>	scribe: Gil: attribute better. GET resource should give all info.
>
>	scribe: MikeB: what does the implementer have to do on client side?
>
>	scribe: Gil: needs be tracked: ACT mapping to PCT.
>
>	scribe: MOTION: Gil to open #67
>
>	scribe: Ashok: attributes on each Requirements? or a single attr on the
>template?
>
>	scribe: Gil: we'll discuss solutions later.
>
>	scribe: MOTION: (Gil) to open #67 at Level P2 (2nd Ashok)
>
>	scribe: ... approved UNAN
>
>TOPIC: CAMP-67 Discussion: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-
>67
>
>	scribe: Gil: propose to start discussing it (#67)
>
>	scribe: Gil: a tempalte may link to a shared service (already running)
>not just a comp template.
>
>	scribe: ... an ACT could have its Requirements link to PCT (indirection)
>
>	scribe: ... no run-time constraint on these links (indirection not an issue)
>
>	scribe: Ashok: add 1 attr to Template, and when all Reqs are satisfied,
>just set this indicator on.
>
>	scribe: Tom: currently , Req is pointed at by ACT but itself does not
>point anywhere
>
>	scribe: ... may need to wait for PDP finalized. Lots of entities have
>missing links it seems.
>
>	scribe: Mark: all idea of Requirements is optional. Can't rely on these.
>Hard-wiring is an option anyway.
>
>	scribe: ... need explicit link ACT to PCT
>
>	scribe: Gil: should not need wait for CAMP#4 to resolve this
>
>	scribe: ... Deployment Plan and Resource model have been kept
>independent. Should take advantage of tghis
>
>	scribe: Gil: would a Depl Plan be OK without any Req?
>
>	scribe: Mark: a separate issue. DP may have no reqs because manual
>wiring.
>
>	scribe: Gil: wiring mode is orthogonal . Auto-wiring still possible
>without reqs, and conversely.
>
>	scribe: jacques: prefers ACT to PCT link rather than indirection ACT-
>Req-PCT
>
>	scribe: Tom: dont we alrady have direct links?
>
>	Tom Rutt (Fujitsu) uploaded file: https://www.oasis-
>open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201306/msg00004/capa
>bilitiesAndRequirements.doc
>
>	scribe: Gil: need to drill down which ACT is not satisfied. If the PCR does
>not have explicit req, hard to figure which Req is the problem.
>
>	scribe: An ACT could have 2 PCRs, so need to figure which one.
>
>	scribe: Tom: no links exist other than conceptual between Reqs and
>Capabilities.
>
>	scribe: Gil: AssemblyTempl could hold a replica of all links, as an
>alternative. A 3rd sol: could PCR refer to link between ACT-PCT? (i.e. my reqirt
>is satisfied by link XYZ between ACT-PCT)
>
>	scribe: ... links are URIs and names
>
>	scribe: Krishna: PCR to PCT: is it just the extra level the issue?
>
>	scribe: ... some REST API have option of an "include" in same call,
>allowing for a single call to get several indirect levels (~ a "batched GET")
>
>	scribe: Otto: put on agenda for next week
>
>TOPIC: Map Type
>
>	scribe: topic: does the resolution to CAMP#30 involve map type?
>
>	Adrian Otto (Rackspace): I will take an action item to follow up on the
>use of the map type
>
>TOPIC: CAMP-65 Discussion: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-
>65
>
>	Gil: pending resol about issue getting rid of CREATED attr (#65)
>
>	Adrian Otto (Rackspace): I will produce WD11 this week
>
>TOPIC: CAMP-17 Discussion: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-
>17
>
>	scribe: Tom: updated proposal.
>
>	scribe: ... when do we eant to see these updated figs in the spec? (of
>course just before PR latest)
>
>	scribe: Gil: needed before PR
>
>	Adrian Otto (Rackspace): I suggest that we proceed to resolve CAMP-17
>soon
>
>	scribe: Gil: diagrams need to match resolutions of other issues all along
>
>	scribe: Adrian: need new diags in for consistency, at all times
>
>	scribe: Tom presents latest changes to #17
>
>	Adrian Otto (Rackspace): We will add CAMP-17 to agenda for
>discussion next week
>
>	scribe: on the agenda for next week (#17)
>
>	scribe: Tom: will make the export format (EMS) for figs available.
>
>Topic: Stagger Roll
>
>	(none)
>
>Meeting Adjournment
>
>	scribe: Adrian: meeting adjourned.
>
>
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