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Subject: Draft Minutes 14th August 2013
Meeting Minutes 14th August 2013
Attendees
Rackspace Hosting, Inc. Roshan Agrawal Member
Software AG, Inc. Bhaskar Reddy Byreddy Member
Oracle Mark Carlson Voting Member
Oracle Martin Chapman Chair
Fujitsu Limited Jacques Durand Voting Member
Cloudsoft Corporation Limited Alex Heneveld Voting Member
Oracle Anish Karmarkar Voting Member
Oracle Ashok Malhotra Voting Member
Axway Software Dale Moberg Observer
Vnomic Derek Palma Voting Member
Oracle Gilbert Pilz Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited Tom Rutt Voting Member
Software AG, Inc. Prasad Yendluri Voting Member
Intro:
Scribe: Anish Karmarkar
Topic: Roll
TomR back from LoA
Meeting quorate: 10 of 14 (71%); quorate
Topic: Agenda bashing
Martin: posted agenda with one new issue from Jacques and proposal for CAMP 71
Jacques: how about issue 31. Can we get that
on the agenda?
Martin: issue 31 added to the agenda
No objections to approving the agenda as modified
Topic: minutes of 2013-08-07:
7th August 2013: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201308/msg00021.html
Motion: m:Anish s:Ashok To approved minutes of 2013-08-07 at https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201308/msg00021.html
Motion approved w/o
Topic: Administrivia
Martin: any updates on plugfest
Alex: it is looking unlikely that I'll attend, but will know in 2 weeks time
Mark Carlson: Folks that are attending need to register here: http://www.cloudplugfest.org/
Martin: we have 2 P1, 15 P2s
Jacques: next f2f, Fujitsu labs europe located next to LHR can host. Will have room for at least 10 ppl.
... Internet connection and VPN should not be a problem.
... have room from 14-16
... It is not in London, outside close to LHR
Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): I'm likely to be there.
Jacques (Fujitsu): I will attend
Anish: how many can attend. Adrian had said he would
Mark Carlson: I am planning to attend subject to travel approval
Duncan, Alex, Martin, Anish, Gil, Jacque, Adrian, Mark will likely attend
TomR also plans on attending
martin: r we happy to accept that location/dates?
Motion: m:Mark s:jacques accept Fujitsu's offer (location/dates) for our next f2f
motion approved w/o
Martin will add to calendar.
Dialin facilities will be available
Topic: Editing team/PR update
Martin: PR progress -- it is assigned. Hoping it will be done in next day or two.
... TCAdmin SLA is 2 weeks from filing the ticket
No update from the Editors.
Gil: besides issue 60, nothing else to do.
Topic: New issues
Topic: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-80 Section 6.11
"Registering an Application" is unclear about what Content-Type header
must be for various scenarios
Gil explains the issue
4 ways to register. The only way to figure out what is expected is the content-type header
gil: what is the content type when you directly post a DP
... need to say the content-type for YAML
Alex Heneveld (Cloudsoft): +1 issue
motion: m:gil s:second moves to open issue 80
Ashok: what happens if you provide the wrong media-type? Is that an error. Are we strict or lenient?
gil: leery about being strict
... especially about mandatory error codes/status
gil: priority P2
alex: p1
tom: p1
martin: let's make it p1
motion approved w/o
Topic: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-81
ApplicationComponentTemplate resource lists 'assemblyTemplate' attribue as Consumer mutable
gil: simple ed error
... these backlinks are not consumer-mutable. They are not.
motion: m:gil s:ashok open 81 as p3
ashok: is a bug we ought to agree to fix it
motion approved w/o
ashok: dependency on 83
Topic: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-82
Can application templates be shared among applications?
ashok: few of us are reading the spec in different ways. Is App. comp template/App component scoped to its
.... application. Can other apps use components/template from another app.
Tom: currently platform requires are scoped
...globally, but other requires are scoped to individual parent. This is a good question.
... what would be a problem with copying as opposed to just registering a PDP
Ashok: i'm with you on this Tom. If you share, you have to worry about authorization. It gets complicated.
...Simpler to say scope it to the app. If you want, you can copy it.
... but possibly other POVs on this
gil: should be p1
Alex: this is more than we can finish within the schedule. Perhaps want
...to stay silent for now.
Martin: suggest p2
Anish: if we decide that this isn't something that is doable in the
... timeframe, we can always resolve the issue that way.
Motion: m:ashok s:Mark open issue 82 as p2
motion approved w/o
Topic: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-83
Labeling of Normative Statements is incomplete
Jacques: plenty of normative content that is not labeled or clearly worded
... issues with pseudo-schema
... need a few blanket normative stmts regarding responses
... issues with HTTP code
... few examples in the issues list
... think it is editorial not changing the substance
Tom: should be an issue. This is a partial list. We should get the whole list.
Jacques: yes need a full list. Not a big spec. May be by next meeting.
... Gut estimate is end of this month to close on this.
Anish: multiple issues here and not all of them are not editorial.
Editorial team should sort through them and bring back a proposal.
Jacques: would like to keep an omnibus issue
Gil: uncomfortable leaving this in the hands of the editors. At some
.... point would like to put forward a red-line draft and get the TC's OK on it.
Martin: if we make this normative issue overhaul version 2, then the
... editors can come back with a red-line doc and we can handle it that way.
....That's the best way to handle it.
Motion: m:Jacques s:Gil open issue 83 as P1
Motion approved w/o
Topic: Issue 81
Gil discusses proposal in JIRA
Ashok: if this is shared then it may be mutable
Gil: hard to say
Anish: this is important that we indicate clearly the lifecycle scope to
... the admin. The platform would want to keep control of these links. If
... these are going to change they should be separate consumer operations.
Tom: +1 to Anish
Jacques: In general I like flexibility. I can imagine two assembly
... template -- test and production. And I might want to share between them.
Tom: I think Jacques is talking about issue 82
Gil: Do we need these backlinks?
Jacques: sceptical of having consumer-mutable and mutable. Perhaps this
... needs to be on a per template basis.
Tom: We have inconsistency about back-pointers. Do we really need them?
... Easiest way to resolve this is to get rid of back pointers and then we
... can figure out which ones to put them back in.
Ashok: i have a usecase for this. I want notification for failures. OR
... if you have an update for it, you ought to be able to go up and notify
... the containers. Backpointers are useful for managing things.
Anish: that is the right question to ask. For runtime things I do see a
... reason to have a back pointer from an AC to assembly. Not sure that is
... needed for templates.
Gil: we are not consistent wrt backpointers.
Jacques: CMWG decided not the have backpointers. Specifically from instance to templates.
Tom: we are debating Anish's new issue. We can resolve this issue.
Motion: m:Gil m:Tom resolve issue 81 to have mutable='true', and consumer-mutlable='false'.
No discussion
Motion approved w/o
Topic: AOB
Stragglers: Dale and Bhaskar
Meeting Adjourned
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