raw chatlog day 2 oct f2f

[Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com>]

Jacques (Fujitsu): Unless otherwise agreed with the Provider, Consumers SHALL NOT assume that the order of the ArtifactSpecifications within this array implies a particular processing order by the Provider
Adrian Otto (Rackspace) [scribe]: Triage of PR issues
Adrian Otto (Rackspace) [scribe]: Adrian: 85-97 https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201310/msg00123.html
Adrian Otto (Rackspace) [scribe] morphed into Adrian Otto (Rackspace)
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): TAB-99
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAB-99
Anish Karmarkar: http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes/uri-schemes.xhtml
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Providers offering additional Supported Formats SHALL make each Supported Format available for any Consumer request.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Responses to all Consumer requests must be available from the Provider in each Supported Format.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): A Supported format means that the Provider is able to respond in that format for any Consumer request.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): For each Supported Format, the Provider MUST be able to respond in that format for any Consumer request.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): For each Supported Format, Consumers MAY request any resource from the Provider. Providers SHALL respond in the requested format.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): For each Supported Format, Consumers MAY request any resource from the Provider. Providers SHALL respond in the requested Supported Format.
Jacques (Fujitsu) morphed into scribe
scribe: conf call started
scribe: Ashok, Mark, Tom on the phone
scribe: topic: triage of PR issues, recap
scribe: chair: for 3/4 we have proposed resolutions.
scribe: Adrian: we have 11 ready to close.
Derek Palma (Vnomic): Derek is also on the phone
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): I will (in a moment) move to close CAMP-91, CAMP-95, CAMP-97, CAMP-101, CAMP-103, CAMP-104, CAMP-106, CAMP-107, CAMP=108, CAMP-129, and CAMP-130 with no action, as each of these issues has been satisfied by the resolution of CAMP-99.
scribe: Adrian: need more time to review? all on this list are obviated by CAMP-99 discussed yesterday
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-91 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-95 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-97 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-101 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-103 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-104 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-106 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-107 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-108 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-129 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-130 close-no-action (CAMP-99)
scribe: --- we have resolved 99
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): I move to close CAMP-91, CAMP-95, CAMP-97, CAMP-101, CAMP-103, CAMP-104, CAMP-106, CAMP-107, CAMP-108, CAMP-129, and CAMP-130 with no action, as each of these issues has been satisfied by the resolution of CAMP-99.
scribe: MOTION: Adrian: to close all above issues: CAMP-91, CAMP-95, CAMP-97, CAMP-101, CAMP-103, CAMP-104, CAMP-106, CAMP-107, CAMP-108, CAMP-129, and CAMP-130 with no action, Sec: Tom
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. UNAN.
scribe: chair: we present proposal for CAMP-145
scribe: Gil: major refactoring of our resource model is in order (addressing number of issues and feedback)
scribe: Gil: section 1.3 illustrates key examples of main usage scenario
Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): checkerboard on web-ex screen
scribe: ... proposed: to simplify the creation of an app - in 1 operation (if desired)
scribe: ... use a generic "Component" resource, no AssemblyTemplate anymore.
scribe: ... introduce Services (as replacement for PCTs)
scribe: ... Plan (replaces AssemblyTemplate somehow)
MartinC1 morphed into MartinC- firefox
scribe: ... Artifacts are inert packages, migration-ready, as opposed to Components that are dynamically used
Mark Carlson1 morphed into Mark Carlson
scribe: Mark: Fig 2-7 needs update (Assemblies missing)
scribe: Gil: need to harmonize diagrams. Alex has great ideas about this.
scribe: Gil: we are not trying to approve 145 today
MartinC- firefox: we may do a directional motion today:-)
scribe: Tom: this is simpler
scribe: chair: section 3 needs be rewritten
scribe: ... at least partially
scribe: Gil: working with "Plans": the "resource" view of a Plan must have same data or less than the file content/view
scribe: ... so Service ref (href) needs be in the Plan file
scribe: ... we don't have Requirements anymore (nor capability)
scribe: ... platform content consequently changed.
scribe: Anish: URI --> URL
scribe: Ashok: relationship Assembly and Plan?
scribe: Gil: relationship visible at instance level
scribe: ... planURI in Assembly
Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): {
  "uri": URI,
  "name": String,
  "type": "component",
  "description": String ?,
  "tags": String[] ?,
  "representationSkew": String ?,
  "assembly": Link,
  "artifact": URI ?,
  "service": URI ?,
  "status": String,
  "relatedComponents": Link[] ?,
  "operationsUri": URI ?,
  "sensorsUri": URI ?
}
scribe: Tom: Plan without common attributes? Gil: they are in YAML format.
scribe: Gil: we have lost some functionality in the process: can't get back the PDP anymore from Provider (no PDP URI in the Plan)
scribe: Alex: in favor of taking this as is. Just file a new issue for additional features like this linkage.
scribe: Gil: support for Plan is advertized in metadata (an extension resource "CAMP-Plans-Extension")
scribe: Adrian: many of CAMP systems have built-in features. Annoying. A singular interface (CAMP extensions) better for advertizing this.
scribe: ... Note: may exist alternatives to advertize Plan support
scribe: Gil: deploying an app not same as registering a Plan.
scribe: Another issue is: how to stop vs delete...
scribe: chair: comments?
scribe: Adrian: we should thank Gil. The proposal reduces size of spec, would help adoption.
scribe: ... (others chime in)
Gil Pilz (Oracle): :-$
scribe: Alex: well done. Good we get such a consensus on this.
scribe: chair: needs still the blessing of the TC for that *direction*
scribe: MOTION: Adrian: that the TC recognizes the current proposal as directional, for the editors to work further on this issue.
scribe: second: Gil
scribe: ... no discussion, no objection. Pass UNAN.
Adrian Otto (Rackspace): https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-121 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-124 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-133 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-133 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-134 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-139 Proposal in Jira (close-no-action)
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-140 Proposal in Jira 
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-138 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-137 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-136 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-135 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-131 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-127 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-125 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-122 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-120 Proposal in Jira
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-119 Proposal in Jira
scribe: Adrian: proposed resolutions for group ...
scribe: ... first 6 close w no action, the remainder have proposals in JIRA
scribe: issue: 121
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to clowse w proposal in JIRA. Tom 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-124
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to close w proposal in JIRA. Anish 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-133
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to close w proposal in JIRA. Jacques 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-134
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to close w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-139
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to close w proposal in JIRA. Jacques 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-140
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to close as subsumed by 145. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-138
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-137
scribe: OTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-136
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-135
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-131
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-127
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-125
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-122
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-120
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: issue: CAMP-119
scribe: MOTION; Adrian: to resolve w proposal in JIRA. Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: chair: we handled a 3rd of our PR issues
scribe: chair: same schedule tomorrow. Pro-temp chair : propose Adrian (Motion), Gil 2nd.
scribe: ... no discuss, no object. Pass UNAN.
scribe: chair: meeting recessed until Wed 3:30pm UK time