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Subject: RE: [camp] Draft Minutes 12th Feb 2014


V2...adding Prasad to the role....

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Meeting Minutes 12th February 2014

 Attendees 

Software AG, Inc.		Bhaskar Reddy Byreddy	Member
Oracle				Martin Chapman	Chair
Fujitsu Limited		Jacques Durand	Voting Member
Cloudsoft Corporation Limited	Alex Heneveld	Voting Member
Oracle				Anish Karmarkar	Voting Member
Oracle				Ashok Malhotra	Voting Member
NetApp			Alex McDonald	Voting Member
Rackspace Hosting, Inc.	Adrian Otto	Chair
Oracle				Gilbert Pilz	Voting Member
Red Hat			Krishna Raman	Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited		Tom Rutt	Voting Member
Software AG, Inc. 	Prasad Yendluri 	Voting Member


Intro:

     Scribe: Anish Karmarkar
      Chair: Martin Chapman
      Date: 2014-02-12
      Roll: attendees listed above,    11 of 12 (91%), quorate
      Agenda: v3 approved as posted.

Minutes:
 
     5th February 2014:  https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201402/msg00017.html 

      MOTION: m:adrian s:ashok approve minutes of 2014-02-05 located at 

https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201402/msg00017.html 
      note that Jacque scribed for that meeting
      motion approved w/o

Topic: AI review

      Lodge TC Admin tickets fof spec csd/pr and ta csd
      Done: https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201402/msg00018.html 
      AIs are done

Topic: status

      Timeline: https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/51056/CAMP%20sched%202013-10-

16.pdf 
         Current open issues: 0 in total; 0 P1,  0 P2, 0 P3.
      martin: all the applied issues were moved to closed state so zero open issues!
      Chair thanks the TC for all its hard work
      
Topic: editing update

      Spec: gil: in the main spec fixed the rendering issues in the CSD candidate. The diagrams 

were funky. Fixed that.
      gil: no words have been changed. the doc file was not changed, the html file is not 

changed

      TA: jacques: with gil's help have fixed ed issues. wd21 is a candidate for PR
      ... purely cosmetic stuff
      ... conformance clause is tighter
       TA WD21: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/document.php?

document_id=52180 

Topic: Plans for getting TA to PR:

      We have a CSD for TA from last weel
      martin: if we want to progress wd21 to PR then we can motion to replace the one in the 

ticket. TC Admin has not done anything on it yet.

            great work jacques on this
          ... i do have some minor ed feedback
         Anish's Minor feedback below:

          1) 2.3.1 it says "It is recommended that the identifier be made universally unique."
             I don't think we need universal uniqueness. In fact, ids such as CAMP-405 is not 

universally              
            unique. Without something like a UUID it is hard and IMHO unnecessary. I suggest the  

             following:
            "It is recommended that the identifier be made distinct from other CAMP test 

assertion IDs."

           2) 4.1 has a reference to [TAG] it should be [TA-guidelines].

           3) 4.2 says: Implement all test assertions (in the sense defined in Section 2) that are 

tagged with a conformance tag of value Provider".

                       There are three problems with this:
                a) The tags are actually 'conformance=Provider'.
                b) Strike 'in the sense'.
               c) the TAs are not defined in section 2 but instead various subsections of 3.

               Same is true for other sibling (to 4.2) sections.

      TC thinks that these are editorial and not substantive so can be addressed as non-

material changes during PR
      tom: do we need a new CSD number?
      martin: we can withdraw the previous one and replace it
      ... as the TC admin not acted on it yet.
      ... we should undo last week's motion and make wd21 the new CSD along with PR
      Gil Pilz (Oracle): let's just do the simplest thing that get's us to our end goal discussion on 

how to best to the replace motion
      Gil Pilz (Oracle): https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52185/camp-ta-v1.1-csd01-

candidate-v2.zip 
       MartinC: draft motion: to replace wd19 with wd21 as csd01 referenced in          

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52185/camp-ta-

v1.1-csd01-candidate-v2.zip  and for the chair to work with TC Admin to update the TA 

ticket accordingly

      MOTION: m:jacques s:gil to replace wd19 with wd21 as csd01 referenced in 

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52185/camp-ta-

v1.1-csd01-candidate-v2.zip   and for the chair to work with TC Admin to update the TA 

ticket accordingly
      motion approved w/o

     PR of TA doc

      MartinC: draft motion:  MOTION ... I move that the TC approve submitting Cloud 

Application Management for Platforms Version Test Assertions 1.1 CSD01 contained in     

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52185/camp-ta-

v1.1-csd01-candidate-v2.zip   as PR01 for 30 days public review.
      TC admin is requested that a latest link to the CAMP-SPEC document be added to the 

"Related works" section on the cover page

      MOTION: m:jacques s:anish I move that the TC approve submitting Cloud Application 

Management for Platforms Version Test Assertions 1.1 CSD01 contained in 
      https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52185/camp-

ta-v1.1-csd01-candidate-v2.zip   as PR01 for 30 days public review. TC admin is requested 

that a latest link to the CAMP-SPEC document be added to the "Related works" section on 

the cover page
      motion approved w/o
      
       Chair thanks Jacques for his hard work in producing the TA document.

      ACTION: chair to update/file tickets for TA PR and TA CSD update

Topic: update to main spec

      gil: the diagrams in HTML/PDF did not look great.
      ... i generated a new PDF using Word's built-in renderer. This resulted in better visio 

diagram. Did not touch a single character in the word document
      ... the HTML figures weren't great. Regenerated the figures by hand and replaced the 

figures in the package. The HTML file itself is not changed.
      martin: this is not the package we voted on. We can't update in place
      ... pdf is the authoritative source
      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): We voted on that document knowing that it had image 

rendering problems. We anticipated a cleanup effort.
      adrian: everyone last week knew that there were some figure rendering problems. So we 

expected this correction. Won't have any objection to updating it.
      Gil Pilz (Oracle): https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52187/CSD04packageV2.zip 
      revision approved last week: https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52131/CSD04package.zip   
      Gil's update at: https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52187/CSD04packageV2.zip 
            we approved the zip file "52131" and we can motion to replace it with "52187"
          ... i.e. replace https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52131 with   

https://www.oasisopen.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52187  

      MartinC: draft motion: to replace csd04/pr02 from https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52131  with 
      https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52187   and for 

the chair to work with TC Admin to update the TA tickets accordingly

      MOTION: m:anish s:gil to replace camp-spec v1.1 csd04/pr02 from https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52131  with https://www.oasis-

open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/52187  and for the chair to work with 

TC Admin to update the TC Admin tickets accordingly.
      It is noted that the only difference between 52131 and 52187 is that the PDF and HTML 

diagrams are rendered better
      motion approved w/o

  The TC celebrates!

 Topic: future meetings

      next week's meeting is canceled
      tom: do we need a call in 2 weeks?
      alex: in 3 weeks time I have another meeting. Want to make sure i don't lose voting 

rights.
      martin: u have to miss 2 weeks in a row to lose voting rights
      adrian: we'll be getting PR comments, so don't want to cancel too many calls
      next meeting will be 5th of march.

Topic: solum update

      adrian: in late oct 2013 solum began as a collaboration in openstack
      ... it does dev automation. makes cloud easy to use
      ... does orchestration templates
      ... providing a new API that will generate Heat templates
      ... and does mgmt
      ... concepts are based on CAMP
      ... has sensors, operators, extensions, etc
      ... not exactly the same
      ... does not have link and link arrays. does inlining
      ... doesn't have plan files
      ... does support multiple version
      ... not compliant, but would be easy to drop in a CAMP compliant parallel version
      ... looking for contributors that can do that
      ... currently not a priority right now
      the road map is available
      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum 
      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/API 
      ... about 14K lines of code
      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): http://solum.io
      ... rackspace, RH, mirantis, and whole bunch of supporting orgs
      ... 4k lines of code in last 2 months
      ... new contributors showing up on regular basis
      ... 1st release (milestone 1) would be in the next 2 months
      ... a f2f event end of next month (25/26th march) in virginia hosted by RedHat
      ... it is being referred as a model for how to do collaborative OSS
      ... it did not start with any seed code
      ... it started with a vision/concept and all code was developed collaboratively

      Alex Heneveld: thanks @adrian

Topic: AOB
      gil: urge ppl to make noise about the PR
      tom: once we have two interoperable impl. we can come up with scenarios and use TAs. 

We can generate logs for this.
      discussion on statement of use and exit criteria from the charter:
      "For all deliverables, the group shall define concrete exit criteria as early as possible.
        The exit criteria must be met before the deliverable advances to Committee 

Specification.          At a minimum, at least two interoperating implementations of both 

clients and servers must 
        be available that test the mandatory and optional features of the specification.        

(Note:        optional features may be tested by different implementations that implement 

different set
        of optional features (in addition to the mandatory features) as long as        pairwise 

coverage for        each optional feature is covered. Each client and each server must be from 

different       respective code bases."
      jacques: most of the effort should be for main spec
      tom: the test assertion don't have a client-server model and don't fit the exit criteria.      
      This is for the main spec and not TA doc, so can examine later


Topic: straggler
      prasad added to the roll

      Alex Heneveld: & congrats to all from me and duncan !

Meeting adjourned




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