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Subject: Draft Minutes 9th April 2014

Meeting Minutes 9th April 2014


Oracle			Martin Chapman	Chair
Fujitsu Limited		Jacques Durand	Voting Member
Oracle			Anish Karmarkar	Voting Member
Oracle			Ashok Malhotra	Voting Member
Rackspace Hosting, Inc.	Adrian Otto	Chair
Oracle			Gilbert Pilz	Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited		Tom Rutt	        Voting Member
Cisco Systems		Blue Thunder Somogyi	Observer
Software AG, Inc.		Prasad Yendluri	Voting Member


     Scribe: Anish Karmarkar
     Chair: Martin Chapman
      Date: 2014-04-09
      Topic: Roll
           Quorate. Voting Members: 8 of 13 (61%) 

      Topic: Agenda bashing
            Agenda approved as posted. No objections

Topic: minutes of 19th march


      motion: m:Gil s:Adrian Approve minutes of 2014-03-19 as posted at https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201403/msg00030.html 
      no objection. Motion approved w/o

Topic: Administrivia
      One more week to go for TA PR comments (correction Jacques informed during AOB that TA PR deadline passed on 2nd April and no comments received)

Topic: Editing team
      no update from editing team

Topic: new issue 170

      https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-170   type definition for 'assembly resource' (assembly.json) has a typo

      Motion: m:Gil s:Adrian Open issue 170
      motion approved w/o
      Motion: m:Gil s:Adrian Resolve issue 170 by fixing the typo in assembly.json file
      Motion approved w/o. Issue 170 is resolved
Topic: Issue 168

      https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-168   requirment_type is confusing for implementers
       comment/proposal from Gil in JIRA

      Gil presents his proposal

      Adrian: this is an improvement, but a little wordy
      tom: doesn't have normative wordings. Find it useful
      martin: is this a non-material/normative proposal?
      gil: non-material
      adrian: would like to show this to folks who have seen the old one and get their opinion
      General feeling to let this marinate for a while

 Topic: Reopen issue 169
      Reopen https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-169  CLONE -Feedback/Questions on CAMP Version 1.1 Working Draft 32 (Dated: 5 December 2013)
       Comments in JIRA. This issue was closed/deferred so to reopen to needs a 2/3 majority vote.
      martin: our standing rules  says that we need 2/3 majority to reopen

      Gil: have a proposal based on discussion with Adrian
      ... in section 4.2
      ... restriction on the id node
      Martin: AlexH pointed out that he prefers to stick to our decision to defer and make it a primer issue
      Gil: happy to leave it where it is
      Tom: this is a material change, but putting in the primer would be good too
      Gil: yes it would be a material change
      Gil's proposal is linked in JIRA
      Adrian: Gil and I were trying to create a plan to make things self-evident
      ... avg. app dev is not going to read a spec. So it is important arrange a plan so that an avg. developer would grok this for the general case.
      Tom: we are trying to avoid 3rd PR, but interop would push in that time frame anyway.
      Gil: we have come to the conclusion that rejecting good ideas to avoid 3nd PR is not a good thing to do
      Martin: do we want to reopen this?
      Gil: AlexH is not on the call
      Martin: we can hold this off till next week
      Gil: having referenceable services inlined and in services section is harder to parse, but not by much
      Tom: is there a usecase where initially u didn't share but later did?
      Adrian: yes
      Martin: not the same as programming languages and local/global variables
      ... can see both sides of this
      Adrian: enough evidence to have the TC look at it
      ... would be wiling to open it and having a discussion

      Motion: m:Adrian s:Tom Reopen issue 169
      no additional discussion
      no objection. Motion approved w/o (>2/3rd majority)

Topic: AOB  

         Topic: TA PR

              Jacques: the end date was April 2nd. So it is actually done. No comments

        Topic: straggler roll

              Blue Thunder Somogyi introduces himself. Joined as an observer from Cisco

      Next call is next Wednesday

Meeting adjourned

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