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Subject: Draft Minutes 11th March 2015

Meeting Minutes 11th March 2015


US Department of Defense (DoD)	Michael Behrens	Member
Oracle				Martin Chapman	Chair
NetApp				Don Deel	Member
Fujitsu Limited			Jacques Durand	Voting Member
Cloudsoft Corporation Limited	Alex Heneveld	Voting Member
Oracle				Anish Karmarkar	Member
JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A.		Michael Norman	Member
Rackspace Hosting, Inc.		Adrian Otto	Secretary
Vnomic	Derek Palma		Voting Member
Oracle	Gilbert Pilz		Voting Member
Fujitsu Limited		`	Tom Rutt	Voting Member
Software AG, Inc.			Prasad Yendluri	Voting Member


     Date: 2015-03-11
     Chair: Martin Chapman
     Scribe: Anish
     Topic: roll
         8 of 9 (88%) Meeting is quorate 
     topic: agenda bashing
        agenda approved

    28th January 2015: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201501/msg00005.html 
     MOTION: m:Gil s: Prasad approve minutes of 2015-01-28 as posted at https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201501/msg00005.html 
     motion approved w/o
Topic: Adminstrivia

     Selecting a new TC Chair: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201503/msg00001.html 
             Call for  nominations. Selection by TC vote or web ballot as appropriate.

     MOTION: m: Adrian s:Tom nominate Anish to be the chair of the TC replacing Martin, who is resigning
     Adrian: recognize Martin's services and leadership to the TC. Appreciated
     Martin: this requires a Full Majority
     ... i.e., majority of all voting members regardless of whether they are on the call or not
     (an unopposed motion with no abstentions at a quorate meeting meets the full member vote criteria)
     motion approved w/o
     Martin: will finish this meeting and new chair will be in place after this meeting

Topic: implementation status

     Gil: in solum, one can now create apps by posting a ref to a plan/assembly resources
     ... next tasks is PDP support and storing artifacts in Swift
     Adrian: Swift is the blob store in OS
     Alex: no new dev in Brooklyn, but still using CAMP

New issues:
      Issue CAMP-175 https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/CAMP-175 

        Alex explains the issue
        Gil: would like to see an example of this
        Alex: CAMP should not model my artifact, it should model the runtime
        Gil: this seems like just a name change
        Alex: folks don't need to know the CAMP artifact concepts
        ... just want to point to the war file
        ... the benefit of having artifact section is having a higher level entry point
        ... we may not need it
        Martin: what do we want to do w/ this issue--open it and ask Alex to provide examples

        MOTION: m:Adrian s:Alex open issue CAMP-175
        motion approved w/o
        Issue priority P3

    Issue CAMP-176    https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/CAMP-176 

     Alex explains the issue
     Martin: a new synonym would be a normative change
     Tom: is this a first example of a synonym? A new concept. A concern for me
     General preference to not have synonym

     MOTION: m:Gil s:Tom open issue CAMP-176
     motion approved w/o
     issue opened
     priority P2
     general agreement on priority being P2

   Issue CAMP-177 https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/CAMP-177 

     Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): assembly -> application, and plan -> template, or something like that
     Mike Norman is the one who opened issue 177
     Chair apologies for confusing Don Deel with Michael Norman
     Alex explains the issue
     MikeN: may be worthwhile to postpone discussion till later
     ... possibly additional issues/solutions could be raised. Dealing with how to integrate this with a GUI
     Gil: no objections to opening the issue. But do question some of the assumptions in the issue
     MOTION : m:Gil s:Alex open issue CAMP-177 as P1
     motion approved w/o
     Issue CAMP-177 is open

Topic:  issue CAMP-176 discussion

      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): +1 o Gil's proposal to rewrite the xxx_types to "type"
     Gil: propose getting ride of "artifact_type" "service_type" "requirement_type" and using just "type". The context makes it clear
     Martin: the current solution makes it clear that you don't mix things
     Tom: keep it the same or do what Gil suggests. Don't like synonyms.
     Anish: both of those solution require us to go through another PR. We should consider whether this change is important enuf.
    [Chair note - any changes to the spec require us to go back to WD -> CSD -> PR...]
     Anish: one solution is backward compatible the other isn't, but introduces a new concept
     Gil: we don't have to do this in the context of CAMP 1.1, we could do this for CAMP 1.2
      Adrian Otto (Rackspace): when you make a backward incompatible change, the best practice is to bump up the version. Just make the resulting work CAMP 1.2.
      Martin Chapman: agreed
     Alex: glad to have meetings again, lot of pent of issues. My thinking was that this would be for 1.2
     ... it would be nice to have 1.1 compatible with 1.2
     ... little bit of agony to do that (and perhaps deprecate it), but may be worthwhile
     Tom: i'll like to see a proposal wrt synonyms
     ... wrt backward compatibility it would not be backward compat on receiving side
     Gil: would prefer not to introduce synonyms
     ... every plan has a version number in it. Perfectly possible to have a provider support 1.1 and 1.2
     Martin Chapman: i think its more important for plans to be forward compatible
      alex heneveld (cloudsoft): @Tom - my ideal is that v1.1 plans could be immediately valid also as v1.2 plans.  (i am not expecting v1.2 plans being read by a v1.1 api...)
     Tom: need to work more on this
     Gil: i can put together a proposal for this--would be a service and replace for xxx_type
     Proposals required for this issue (hint..hint Alex&Gil)
Topic: AOB

     stragglers: Don, Tom, Derek, MikeN, MikeB
     MikeN introduces himself
     TC/Chair welcomes MikeN esp. fresh pair of spec-eyes and impl-hands
     MikeN: main model is good and abstract
     ... struggling w/ the serialization aspects

     Motion: m:anish s:Adrian Thank Martin for his leadership and services as Chair since the TC's inception
     motion approved w/o

    Chair blushes and thanks the TC members for being cordial and cooperative throughout the life of the TC.

     Topic: meeting schedules

           old and new chairs to discuss new schedule for the TC

Meeting Adjourned

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