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Subject: RE: [chairs] TC mailing list guidelines


James:

Also:

> > 1. It's misleading and confusing to call it a comment list
> > when it's really a discussion list.

Well, no it's not. It really is a comment list. This is supposed to be a
one-way pipe to get public comments into the TC. Admittedly some TCs
have stretched this a bit to make them discussion lists, which I haven't
fought too much against, but the original (and true) purpose is
comments.

</karl>
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Karl F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
+1 978.667.5115 x206
karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:42 AM
> To: James Clark; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [chairs] TC mailing list guidelines
>
>
> James:
>
> The only reason I've required subscriptions to these lists is to keep
> the spam out. We're been hit *hard* by bots collecting email addresses
> from our site, and any of the lists that I've opened even for a short
> period of time to non-subscribers gets hit with spam.
>
> I note that you're not volunteering to moderate a public
> comment/discussion list for your TC. Neither am I. If you can find
> someone to moderate it I'll open it up. Otherwise we'll have
> to require
> subscriptions.
>
> </karl>
> =================================================================
> Karl F. Best
> OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> +1 978.667.5115 x206
> karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Clark [mailto:jjc@jclark.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:08 PM
> > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [chairs] TC mailing list guidelines
> >
> >
> > I wonder whether I am alone in finding the current OASIS
> > guidelines on TC
> > mailing lists to be unsatisfactory.  The current guidelines are at
> >
> >   http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/guidelines.shtml#maillist
> >
> > What I find unsatisfactory is the way public mailing lists
> > are handled.
> > The guidelines recommend a single public mailing list named
> > *-comment for
> > "general public discussion of the TC work", which anybody can
> > subscribe to,
> > but only subcribers can post to.  I have two problems with this:
> >
> > 1. It's misleading and confusing to call it a comment list
> > when it's really
> > a discussion list.
> >
> > 2. There ought to be a way for people to submit comments on
> > specs without
> > subscribing to a mailing list.
> >
> > The RELAX NG specs say that comments should be sent to the
> > RELAX NG comment
> > mailing list.  I regularly get complaints from people who try
> > to submit
> > comments but get their message bounced because they are not
> > subscribers.
> > People expect the *-comment lists to work like the W3C
> > *-comment lists,
> > where anybody can post without subcription.
> >
> > We should not be erecting barriers that make it inconvenient
> > for people to
> > submit comments on our specifications.  The kind of people we
> > particularly
> > want to get comments from are typically overwhelmed with
> > email already and
> > are reluctant to subscribe to a mailing list just to submit
> a comment.
> >
> > I believe it is very important that there should be *-comment
> > lists that
> > anybody can post to.  It is highly desirable that such lists are
> > spam-filtered either by software or by human (no, I'm not
> > volunteering!).
> > These should be open to subscription only by TC members.
> > Typically the
> > chair would appoint a TC member to monitor the comment lists
> > and collate
> > comments for TC consideration. I would also be in favour of
> > having a public
> > discussion list appropriately named.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
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