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Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject need common base type]


Rex raises some important concerns (below) regarding duplication of
effort/potential conflicts that I have heard others voice as well.
Can we keep this discussion thread going or, as Rex suggests, establish
a new forum for discussing these issues?


John Evdemon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: Rex Brooks
> Cc: Farrukh Najmi; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; Monica Martin;
> open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd:
ObjectRef and
> RegistryObject need common base type]
> All:
> I'm going to follow up with Rex offline. No need to bother you all
> this thread.
> -Karl
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga; karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Rex Brooks'
> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Monica Martin'; 'Farrukh Najmi';
> regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject
> common base type]
> Thanks, Karl, Ranjeeth,
> A web form will certainly be helpful. Whether it can accommodate the
> range of feedback we need remains to be seen.
> As a small point of clarification, my opinion is that OASIS is on the
> verge of becoming more influential and more respected. Hopefully this
> will lead to further refinements of the process that can address a
> number of issues that will be engendered by this success. The
> willingness of OASIS to work diligently to improve and extend this
> process is commendable and appreciated.
> Having said that, I think we need to consider broader support for
> public discussion, perhaps separate from the TC process per se, if it
> can be accommodated. It may be that such a development may help in
> alleviating to some extent a particular difficulty I see developing
> at present.
> Specifically, I think we may need to consider how best to consolidate
> some efforts, particularly in the legal, business application
> processes and web services arenas, where we are seeing a
> proliferation of efforts aimed at smaller and smaller niches that
> might better be absorbed as subcommittees within existing TCs, or as
> sub units of Joint TCs, or a new category of Committees similar to
> the Member Sections but dedicated to the larger categories of
> business and governmental processes where we find this proliferation.
> I suspect that as it currently stands, we face a great deal of
> unnecessary, and perhaps conflicting, duplications of efforts.
> A new forum for discussing these issues, specifically in a public
> context where opinions need not be filtered by specific kinds of
> memberships, would probably be helpful for gathering insights that
> may be useful to us.
> These are just suggestions based on observations. I also think we may
> need to seek an acceptable way to get the benefit of very narrow
> specialists whose participation in a TC per se simply to qualify for
> participation in a subcommittee is not likely to be supported by
> otherwise interested member companies. I am actually faced with this
> consideration in the area of VoiceXML and WML within the WSRP Markup
> Subcommittee I chair.
> My closing thought on these topics is that we need to make sure we
> don't sacrifice flexibility while ensuring accountability.
> Ciao,
> Rex
> At 10:42 AM -0400 9/26/03, Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
> >A web form can solve a lot of problems.
> >
> >-----
> >Ranjeeth Kumar THunga
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:01 AM
> >To: Rex Brooks
> >Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; Monica Martin; Farrukh Najmi;
> >regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject
> >common base type]
> >
> >Rex, Farrukh:
> >
> >It's been the case for quite some time now that a person must
> >to the comment list in order to post a comment. I know that it sounds
> >silly to require this, but we've got to keep the spam off the lists
> >out of the archives, and the only other method is to moderate all of
> >comment lists and I haven't heard anyone volunteer to handle them
> >
> >We are putting together a web form that can be used to submit
> >I hope that we can launch this pretty quickly (we're also working on
> >couple other things at the same time). Once we have this then the guy
> >the street won't need to subscribe in order to send just one comment.
> >
> >-Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >Rex Brooks wrote:
> >>  Folks,
> >>
> >>  I caught this on the ebxml registry list and while I have not
checked on
> >>  the actual procedures in place with regard to the current
> >>  of OASIS poolicy on the public comment lists, I find this
> >>  With apologies to OASIS, I have to say that I find the current
policy to
> >  > have, in effect, killed the public comment lists, to the
detriment of
> >>  the TCs and OASIS at large at a time when many of us are trying
our best
> >>  to improve the stature of OASIS in the arena of standards bodies.
> >>  is a shame, and I must admit that I have, in effect, also thrown
in the
> >>  towel because it is a fight that I doubt we can win. The official
> >>  is made up, and regardless of the rationale, the effect may
already be
> >>  irreversible. After more than two years of working on the Human
> >>  Language, I have concluded that one would be foolish to stand in
> >>  line of fire when any human being or group of humans decides to
> >>  itself in the foot.
> >>
> >>  As Pogo observed, "We have met the enemy and it is us."
> >>
> >>  Ciao, but sadly,
> >>  Rex
> >>
> >>  At 10:00 PM -0600 9/25/03, Monica Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Farrukh Najmi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>  It seems that the regrep-comments list is now requiring that the
> >>>>  sender be subscribed? This does not seem right. Should we not
> >>>>  an external commenter to send comments unimpeded? I could not
> >>>>  figure out how to tell Mei Zhao to subscribe. Kathryn, could you
> >>>>  please look into a solution to this recurring problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>  In any event the issue/suggestion below seems to make good sense
> >>>>  an OO stand point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  mm1: On the suggestion, sounds reasonable.  On the issue about
> >>>  list, I seem to remember some kind of an issue with Kavi and the
> >>>  that the comment signup was either not intuitive or didn't work
> >>>  correctly.  The webmaster should know on the system aspects. As
to the
> >>>  change in process, I can't answer there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the
> >>>  of the OASIS TC), go to
> >>>
> >http://www.oasis-
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> >php.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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