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Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject need common base type]
Karl, Rex raises some important concerns (below) regarding duplication of effort/potential conflicts that I have heard others voice as well. Can we keep this discussion thread going or, as Rex suggests, establish a new forum for discussing these issues? Sincerely, John Evdemon > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:15 AM > To: Rex Brooks > Cc: Farrukh Najmi; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; Monica Martin; regrep@lists.oasis- > open.org > Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and > RegistryObject need common base type] > > All: > > I'm going to follow up with Rex offline. No need to bother you all with > this thread. > > -Karl > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS > TC), go to http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:51 AM > To: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga; karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Rex Brooks' > Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Monica Martin'; 'Farrukh Najmi'; > regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject need > common base type] > > Thanks, Karl, Ranjeeth, > > A web form will certainly be helpful. Whether it can accommodate the > range of feedback we need remains to be seen. > > As a small point of clarification, my opinion is that OASIS is on the > verge of becoming more influential and more respected. Hopefully this > will lead to further refinements of the process that can address a > number of issues that will be engendered by this success. The > willingness of OASIS to work diligently to improve and extend this > process is commendable and appreciated. > > Having said that, I think we need to consider broader support for > public discussion, perhaps separate from the TC process per se, if it > can be accommodated. It may be that such a development may help in > alleviating to some extent a particular difficulty I see developing > at present. > > Specifically, I think we may need to consider how best to consolidate > some efforts, particularly in the legal, business application > processes and web services arenas, where we are seeing a > proliferation of efforts aimed at smaller and smaller niches that > might better be absorbed as subcommittees within existing TCs, or as > sub units of Joint TCs, or a new category of Committees similar to > the Member Sections but dedicated to the larger categories of > business and governmental processes where we find this proliferation. > I suspect that as it currently stands, we face a great deal of > unnecessary, and perhaps conflicting, duplications of efforts. > > A new forum for discussing these issues, specifically in a public > context where opinions need not be filtered by specific kinds of > memberships, would probably be helpful for gathering insights that > may be useful to us. > > These are just suggestions based on observations. I also think we may > need to seek an acceptable way to get the benefit of very narrow > specialists whose participation in a TC per se simply to qualify for > participation in a subcommittee is not likely to be supported by > otherwise interested member companies. I am actually faced with this > consideration in the area of VoiceXML and WML within the WSRP Markup > Subcommittee I chair. > > My closing thought on these topics is that we need to make sure we > don't sacrifice flexibility while ensuring accountability. > > Ciao, > Rex > > At 10:42 AM -0400 9/26/03, Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote: > >A web form can solve a lot of problems. > > > >----- > >Ranjeeth Kumar THunga > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:01 AM > >To: Rex Brooks > >Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; Monica Martin; Farrukh Najmi; > >regrep@lists.oasis-open.org > >Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject need > >common base type] > > > >Rex, Farrukh: > > > >It's been the case for quite some time now that a person must subscribe > >to the comment list in order to post a comment. I know that it sounds > >silly to require this, but we've got to keep the spam off the lists and > >out of the archives, and the only other method is to moderate all of the > >comment lists and I haven't heard anyone volunteer to handle them all. > > > >We are putting together a web form that can be used to submit comments; > >I hope that we can launch this pretty quickly (we're also working on a > >couple other things at the same time). Once we have this then the guy on > >the street won't need to subscribe in order to send just one comment. > > > >-Karl > > > > > > > >Rex Brooks wrote: > >> Folks, > >> > >> I caught this on the ebxml registry list and while I have not checked on > >> the actual procedures in place with regard to the current manifestation > >> of OASIS poolicy on the public comment lists, I find this unexceptional. > >> With apologies to OASIS, I have to say that I find the current policy to > > > have, in effect, killed the public comment lists, to the detriment of > >> the TCs and OASIS at large at a time when many of us are trying our best > >> to improve the stature of OASIS in the arena of standards bodies. This > >> is a shame, and I must admit that I have, in effect, also thrown in the > >> towel because it is a fight that I doubt we can win. The official mind > >> is made up, and regardless of the rationale, the effect may already be > >> irreversible. After more than two years of working on the Human Markup > >> Language, I have concluded that one would be foolish to stand in the > >> line of fire when any human being or group of humans decides to shoot > >> itself in the foot. > >> > >> As Pogo observed, "We have met the enemy and it is us." > >> > >> Ciao, but sadly, > >> Rex > >> > >> At 10:00 PM -0600 9/25/03, Monica Martin wrote: > >> > >>> Farrukh Najmi wrote: > >>> > >>>> It seems that the regrep-comments list is now requiring that the > >>>> sender be subscribed? This does not seem right. Should we not allow > >>>> an external commenter to send comments unimpeded? I could not even > >>>> figure out how to tell Mei Zhao to subscribe. Kathryn, could you > >>>> please look into a solution to this recurring problem. > >>>> > >>>> In any event the issue/suggestion below seems to make good sense from > >>>> an OO stand point. > >>> > >>> > >>> mm1: On the suggestion, sounds reasonable. On the issue about comment > >>> list, I seem to remember some kind of an issue with Kavi and the fact > >>> that the comment signup was either not intuitive or didn't work > >>> correctly. The webmaster should know on the system aspects. As to the > >>> change in process, I can't answer there. > >>> > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster > >>> of the OASIS TC), go to > >>> > >http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/leave_workgroup. > >php. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >============================================================== > === > >Karl F. Best > >Vice President, OASIS > >office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > >karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the > >OASIS TC), go to > >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workg roup. > >php. > > > -- > Rex Brooks > GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth > W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com > Email: rexb@starbourne.com > Tel: 510-849-2309 > Fax: By Request > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS > TC), go to http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. >
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