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Subject: RE: [chairs] your input on OASIS functionality enhancements

2 cents, 

Chairing a security committee at OASIS and submitting passwords in the clear
is never a comfortable experience ;-) I haven't poked around in detail but I
also suspect there are many more potential *significant* application
security issues with the Kavi implementation based on innocent observations.

We can take that off-line and test it if need be.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Z Pope [mailto:zpope@pobox.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:07 PM
To: Norman Walsh; karl.best@oasis-open.org
Cc: Chairs OASIS; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org; jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [chairs] your input on OASIS functionality enhancements

+1 to Norm's comments.

Whatever the goals were for using Kavi I think the website provides less now
than before the changeover.  I admit that I avoided the changeover longer
than was wise delaying feedback and making the transition more painful than
other wise.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Walsh [mailto:ndw@nwalsh.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:44 PM
> To: karl.best@oasis-open.org
> Cc: Chairs OASIS; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org; 
> jeff.lomas@oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] your input on OASIS functionality enhancements
> / "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> was heard to say:
> | Last spring we rolled out the new collaborative tools from Kavi, 
> | including membership roster management, balloting, email lists, 
> | document repository, action items, etc.
> I remain utterly unimpressed. I will not go so far as to say that I 
> think the new system is an unmitigated disaster, but it is, IMHO, just 
> barely usable.
> The system is awkward, the website is cumbersome, and I think it has 
> made the OASIS site less useful not only to TC members but also to the 
> general public.
>  * There are parts chairs can't edit
>  * The list of documents presented to the public is still a flat
>    list lacking the hierarchy created by the chair or secretary
>  * There's no provision for navigation within the pages of the
>    of a single TC.
> As I have said before, the most significant bug is that it is 
> impossible to publish documents with predictable URIs. I consider the 
> site unusable for publishing important documents until this bug is 
> fixed. (It works fine for meeting minutes and other things, but I 
> cannot reliably publish specifications, schemas, or other documents 
> that have internal URI references.)
> For example, I just published a working draft of the XML Catalogs 
> specification for the Entity Resolution TC. The HTML version of that 
> specification includes URIs for the original XML sources and a PDF 
> version of the document.
> While I can upload all three documents,I cannot make the links work 
> because I cannot predict what the URI for the XML or PDF versions will 
> be when I am generating the HTML.
> And while we're talking about URIs, the URIs that Kavi creates really
> suck:

Granted, URIs are technically opaque, but that URI doesn't even give me a
hint about what committee created it.

I'd happily go back to the days when I could have published:


Nevermind functionality *enhancements*, the system still has an absolutely
critical flaws.

                                        Be seeing you,

Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM / XML Standards Architect / Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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