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Subject: RE: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC Process

I had the same concerns as Eric, the current input from observers is
important. Will there be a mechanism to proactively make the observers
non-voting members, unless they decline?

-----Original Message-----
From: Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:57 PM
To: Eduardo Gutentag; Philpott, Robert
Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org;
Subject: RE: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
revision of TC Process


Do you mean that the new process doesn't change the ability of anyone to
join a TC and participate as a non-voting member?  So the proposed
change is simply a renaming of the type of member, not the elimination
of a membership category?



-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:Eduardo.Gutentag@Sun.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM
To: Philpott, Robert
Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org;
Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
revision of TC Process

But Rob, if you read the new process carefully, you will discover that
you can be a TC member without being a voting member (that is, you can
be a non-voting TC member without having to meet attendance criteria),
thus being able to contribute to your heart's content as current

On 10/12/2004 03:25 PM, Philpott, Robert wrote:
> I would like to express serious concerns with the proposed change to
> TC process that means that TC observers would no longer be able to
> to the TC's mailing list.
> From the current process: "An Observer may participate in TC
> and post email messages to the TC list, but may not vote and does not
> need to maintain attendance."
> From the proposed process: "Observer" (or "TC Observer") is an
> Person who is subscribed to the TC email list, and may attend TC
> meetings, but is not allowed to participate in TC email list
> discussions, participate or speak in TC meetings, or make
> to the TC. The process for becoming an Observer is defined in the
> section "TC Membership and Participation".
> I STRONGLY disagree with making this change.  The SSTC has over 260
> members, of which 40-50 are active voting members.  However, our TC
> regularly receives valuable input on email discussion topics from
> members that don't have currently active voting status.  These
> are from folks such as those in other TC's that monitor our list
> those TC's have some dependency on ours. Requiring folks to find some
> other mechanism to provide their input simply throws up barriers in
> front of them and will in all likelihood result in us not receiving
> input at all.
> The input from these members is very important to us.  I believe this
> be a bad change of policy that goes against the open, free exchange of
> ideas that we rely on.
> Rob Philpott
> Senior Consulting Engineer 
> RSA Security Inc. 
> Tel: 781-515-7115 
> Mobile: 617-510-0893 
> Fax: 781-515-7020 
> mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
>>Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:10 AM
>>To: members
>>Subject: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC
> Process
>>OASIS members:
>>You're aware that the OASIS Board of Directors has been working on a
>>revision of the OASIS IPR Policy, and you have had an opportunity to
>>give feedback on that proposed revision.
>>The Board has also been working on a revision of the OASIS TC Process,
>>the document that governs the creation and operation of TCs at OASIS,
>>and the advancement and approval of the work they do. This revision
>>includes changes suggested by TC chairs, the Technical Advisory Board
>>(TAB), and other members. It also includes changes required to support
>>the new IPR Policy; because these two documents rely on each other
> they
>>must be revised, approved, and become effective at the same time.
>>The Board has approved an OASIS member review of the revised Process;
>>this review will start today and go until 10 November. A draft of the
>>revised TC Process document approved for member review by the Board is
>>found at
>>A document summarizing the changes from the current Process is at
>>Please send your comments in regards to these proposed changes to
>>tcproc-member-review@lists.oasis-open.org by 10 November, so that the
>>Board can consider your comments, make changes to this draft, and have
>>the Process document ready to be effective at the same time as the new
>>IPR Policy.
>>Karl F. Best
>>Vice President, OASIS
>>office  +1 978.667.5115 x206     mobile +1 978.761.1648
>>karl.best@oasis-open.org      http://www.oasis-open.org
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Eduardo Gutentag               |         e-mail:
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Sun Microsystems Inc.          |         W3C AC Rep / W3C AB / OASIS BoD

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