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Subject: Re: [chairs] Voting 2/3

If I read your suggestion correctly, the solution really is to make sure you don't hold REAL meetings during the summer - using the 'non-meetings' instead. Therefore, no one misses a 'real' meeting and the 2/3 rule does not kick any voters off the list. Sigh, I guess this works but I would much prefer using the tools that OASIS supports...

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Re: [chairs] Voting 2/3

The reality is that nothing is going to be done about this.

The only solution is to have non-meetings thru the summer,
till September - where the meetings that do occur are
informal conference calls - not official calls.

This has the side benefits of no minutes needed, and
no roll-call.

It has the negative impact that items discussed are
non-things and so probably best not to discuss
anything being included in spec's - just busy work
around promoting the work of the TC and such.

Of course if you need to do real spec' work - just make
sure your editors and others are not planning any
vacations... or use Kavi voting for everything (make
sure the TC has approved that as well of course).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Philpott, Robert" <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com>
To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; <chairs@lists.oasis-open.org>;
"James Bryce Clark" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [chairs] Voting 2/3

Couldn't agree more.

I made my opinion known a couple of weeks ago and asked Jamie for an
update.  I got no response:

> Jamie - can you update us on whether or not the meeting attendance
> rule is going to get changed and when that might happen?

This is creating lots of extra work for chairs/secretaries of the TC's
and needs to get changes ASAP, IMO.

Jamie - please respond.

Rob Philpott
Senior Consulting Engineer
RSA Security Inc.
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Mobile: 617-510-0893
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I-name:  =Rob.Philpott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:19 PM
> To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; James Bryce Clark
> Subject: [chairs] Voting 2/3
> All/Jamie:
> My TC's number of voting members has now dropped to below 30 out of
> members and observers.  IMO - a lot of this is due to the 2/3 rule and
> the fact it is summer.  Many in my TC have expressed that the rule is
> not fair and would prefer to move to a different metric, perhaps only
> loosing voting privileges if you miss 2 in a row.  Attendance at every
> other meeting seems to be more than adequate to retain knowledge of
> TC work given the traffic on the lists and other informal meetings.
> have a few members who have been extremely active that are now on
> probation.
> I want to ask again if OASIS is going to open this up for further
> discussion?
> Is there any chair opposed to further discussion on this matter?
> Duane Nickull
> Senior Standards Strategist
> Adobe Systems, Inc.

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